[quagmire]

Originally Posted by chuck92103

+1, also no mobile TV. Apple needs to team with Verizon or Sprint if they want live TV. Won't happen any time soon.

Won't happen for a number of reasons. Well the biggest issue is the iPhone is GSM vs Verizon/Sprint being CDMA. Verizon will want to load their own crappy OS onto the iPhone, etc. Apple did offer the iPhone to Verizon first and they declined. I wonder if they regret it now with the success/hype that has followed.

[chuck92103]

Originally Posted by quagmire

Won't happen for a number of reasons. Well the biggest issue is the iPhone is GSM vs Verizon/Sprint being CDMA. Verizon will want to load their own crappy OS onto the iPhone, etc. Apple did offer the iPhone to Verizon first and they declined. I wonder if they regret it now with the success/hype that has followed.

Um, Blackberry is on Verizon with Blackberry's own O/S. The issue is AT&T paid big bucks to be exclusive with AT&T for 5 years. It is really Apples loss.

But Qualcomm makes money either way since the iPhone uses a lot of Qualcomm's patents. Somewhere around $40 of each iPhone sold are patent royalties back to several companies.

In the future, phones will run on a generic O/S with google help. You will by a phone at the store, and then pick your interface and carrier. THe phone will evolve to have enough power to replace laptops. You will imply dock at work and have external keyboard, monitor, and mouse. Laptops are going away as chips get more powerful.

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by DevJ

How's the texting on the iphone? is it relatively easy to get use to? (come from a blackjack)

Coming from a first gen Blackjack, I've got to say I prefer the iPhone. The Blackjack's keys were so small it was crazy how deliberate you had to be using the very tips of your fingers. The iPhone is slightly less accurate, but easier to type on. The software makes up for the inaccuracy fairly well. Speed is about the same but it's a more pleasurable experience typing on the iPhone.

Originally Posted by chuck92103

In the future, phones will run on a generic O/S with google help. You will by a phone at the store, and then pick your interface and carrier. THe phone will evolve to have enough power to replace laptops. You will imply dock at work and have external keyboard, monitor, and mouse. Laptops are going away as chips get more powerful.

Here's where you're wrong. Cellphones will NEVER replace laptops. Why? Because as cellphone chips increase in speed so do laptop chips. You will never see a cellphone that is as powerful as a laptop made at the same time. You can't use regular applications on a phone wither, nor would you want to. the screen is simply too small. Even if we make 1,000,000 DPI screens in the future, it doesn't matter if the letters are 1/1000th of an inch high. (A possible exception to this is if Videora style glasses continue to improve, but it'll likely end up like BT headsets, only people who want to look like a tool or really want the functionality will use them)

It's not a generic OS if it has Google help. Phones will be just like desktops, there will be multiple OS's to choose from. We've got OSX, WinMo, Symbian, Palm, Blackberry's OS and soon Android as well.

I love the idea of an incredibly powerful handheld device, and it'll happen one day, but a luggable device will always outpower it. The question becomes if we'll reach a sort of plateau where you don't need any more processing power to use consumer applications. I doubt it. Computers today are unimaginably fast compared to 30 years ago, but the applications have become unimaginably more detailed, functional and resource intensive just as fast as the hardware.

[gu3s5]

does anyone know where can i get an unlocked one? im in central florida

[quagmire]

You can't. You can pay the $599 or $699 price for no contract and then jailbreak it. But, you won't be able to get it unlocked from the store.

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by quagmire

You can't. You can pay the $599 or $699 price for no contract and then jailbreak it. But, you won't be able to get it unlocked from the store.

+1

You're actually better off signing up for AT&T service then canceling the plan. Then you get the phone for $199 or $299 and paying the termination fee. It ends up being cheaper to terminate lol. Be careful about how you terminate/switch plans though, you don't want to lose your number. So never just cancel a plan, always transfer to another.

[chuck92103]

Originally Posted by FirstClass

Coming from a first gen Blackjack, I've got to say I prefer the iPhone. The Blackjack's keys were so small it was crazy how deliberate you had to be using the very tips of your fingers. The iPhone is slightly less accurate, but easier to type on. The software makes up for the inaccuracy fairly well. Speed is about the same but it's a more pleasurable experience typing on the iPhone.

Here's where you're wrong. Cellphones will NEVER replace laptops. Why? Because as cellphone chips increase in speed so do laptop chips. You will never see a cellphone that is as powerful as a laptop made at the same time. You can't use regular applications on a phone wither, nor would you want to. the screen is simply too small. Even if we make 1,000,000 DPI screens in the future, it doesn't matter if the letters are 1/1000th of an inch high. (A possible exception to this is if Videora style glasses continue to improve, but it'll likely end up like BT headsets, only people who want to look like a tool or really want the functionality will use them)

It's not a generic OS if it has Google help. Phones will be just like desktops, there will be multiple OS's to choose from. We've got OSX, WinMo, Symbian, Palm, Blackberry's OS and soon Android as well.

I love the idea of an incredibly powerful handheld device, and it'll happen one day, but a luggable device will always outpower it. The question becomes if we'll reach a sort of plateau where you don't need any more processing power to use consumer applications. I doubt it. Computers today are unimaginably fast compared to 30 years ago, but the applications have become unimaginably more detailed, functional and resource intensive just as fast as the hardware.

Have we forgotten that small servers replaced mainframes, desktops replaced servers in a lot of cases, portable computers replaced desktops, laptops replaced portables, and mini laptops are replacing standard laptops. Do you really believe what you say?

In the future all computing power and applications will be hosted on backend servers all over the Internet. Thin clients will be in homes and mobile devices and they will be very powerful still.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by DevJ

How's the texting on the iphone? is it relatively easy to get use to? (come from a blackjack)

Texting is very easy and quick. I like it all except that you have to look at the keyboard since you cannot 'feel out' the keys... oh well.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by FirstClass

+1

You're actually better off signing up for AT&T service then canceling the plan. Then you get the phone for $199 or $299 and paying the termination fee. It ends up being cheaper to terminate lol. Be careful about how you terminate/switch plans though, you don't want to lose your number. So never just cancel a plan, always transfer to another.

Though if you cancel it within the first 30 days you will have to return the iPhone as well. AT&T are being real strict wads about the iPhone.

[gu3s5]

well the thing is im planning to use it in canada. i was originally going to get it down here because i figured itèd be cheaper but i guess thats not the case no more lol. can any canadians chime in on how this is going to work for rogers and fidoÉ

[Choolgooz]

Originally Posted by quagmire

Though if you cancel it within the first 30 days you will have to return the iPhone as well. AT&T are being real strict wads about the iPhone.

I am pretty sure its 14 days. I duno if the montly charges r pro-rated though.


Does anyone know if you can take the SIM from a current ATT ( data plan n all) phone and use it on the Iphone? Through the Job i get almost a 30% discount on my monthly bill, but this discount is not applicable to iphone's. So maybe i can fool them into thinking i am using another phone by just moving my simm over? Or do they have a detection method?

[snipersix]

Originally Posted by gu3s5

well the thing is im planning to use it in canada. i was originally going to get it down here because i figured itèd be cheaper but i guess thats not the case no more lol. can any canadians chime in on how this is going to work for rogers and fidoÉ

the phones cost the following:

199 for the 8gb
299 for the 16gb black/white

this price is only for the phone. And if your going to get the phone with the plan, you will be forced to sign a 3 year contract as far as fido is concerned.

In BC
the plan rates start from 60/month, 75/month,100/month and 115/month

The main difference of the plans, is the amount of data usage. Currently the highest plan which is the 115/month offers 2gb of data usage. Unlike in the states, its unlimited data plan.

You also get to use the fido/rogers hotspots, which enables you to make free voice calls and send text over wifi. That is what I was told. However like I said these are from the fido side of things. I do not have any details about the rogers side, for I am fido subscriber. But I am guessing they are similar, for they are run by the same company.

any how, you can read up on the plans here:
http://www.fido.ca:80/web/Fido.porta...bleIPhonePlans

[solefald]

Originally Posted by Choolgooz

Does anyone know if you can take the SIM from a current ATT ( data plan n all) phone and use it on the Iphone? Through the Job i get almost a 30% discount on my monthly bill, but this discount is not applicable to iphone's. So maybe i can fool them into thinking i am using another phone by just moving my simm over? Or do they have a detection method?

yes and no. you CAN put the sim card in and voice will work, however, you will have to swap your data plan for an iPhone data plan instead. There are 3 different data plans at ATT. Regular, BlackBerry and iPhone. They should be able to put you on iPhone data plan without extending your contract....

And yes, they do have a detection method. They call it you-wont-get-any-data-unless-you-switch-to-a-different-plan

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by Choolgooz

I am pretty sure its 14 days. I duno if the montly charges r pro-rated though.

That is Apple's standard return policy, but with AT&T if you're going to cancel your service it has to be within 30 days or you face a cancellation fee. Due to that and not getting the months payment for the plan you chose, they want the iPhone back so you don't turn around and unlock it.

[FirstClass]

Originally Posted by chuck92103

Have we forgotten that small servers replaced mainframes, desktops replaced servers in a lot of cases, portable computers replaced desktops, laptops replaced portables, and mini laptops are replacing standard laptops. Do you really believe what you say?

In the future all computing power and applications will be hosted on backend servers all over the Internet. Thin clients will be in homes and mobile devices and they will be very powerful still.

Are blade servers as powerful as clusters? Are laptops as powerful as desktops? Is a netbook even capable of running photoshop? Your logic is flawed. You can do more with smaller computers as time progresses, but same time computers still increase in power as size increases. You do much video editing on your netbook? Or even a so called "desktop replacement" notebook will get trounced by a true desktop. Haven't seen many 8 core laptops floating around lately. (Skulltrail, MP, workstations, etc.)

The cloud can do a lot, but you're not going to be running full fledged apps on the internet anytime soon. You're going to upload your HD movies to a server then start encoding them on the server? Never. Same goes for Photoshop, you're not going to upload your RAWs to a server then edit them there. How about games? Thin clients can do a lot, but they will NEVER replace a regular computer.

[JamieA]

Originally Posted by FirstClass

Coming from a first gen Blackjack, I've got to say I prefer the iPhone. The Blackjack's keys were so small it was crazy how deliberate you had to be using the very tips of your fingers. The iPhone is slightly less accurate, but easier to type on. The software makes up for the inaccuracy fairly well. Speed is about the same but it's a more pleasurable experience typing on the iPhone.
...

I agree, typing on the iPhone is an unexpectedly pleasant experience. The software does an excellent job of predicting what you really meant to type with your butter fingers, and once you lear to trust it, you can type very quickly, surprisingly quickly in fact with two fingers even...

[JamieA]

Originally Posted by FirstClass

Are blade servers as powerful as clusters? Are laptops as powerful as desktops? Is a netbook even capable of running photoshop? Your logic is flawed. You can do more with smaller computers as time progresses, but same time computers still increase in power as size increases. You do much video editing on your netbook? Or even a so called "desktop replacement" notebook will get trounced by a true desktop. Haven't seen many 8 core laptops floating around lately. (Skulltrail, MP, workstations, etc.)

The cloud can do a lot, but you're not going to be running full fledged apps on the internet anytime soon. You're going to upload your HD movies to a server then start encoding them on the server? Never. Same goes for Photoshop, you're not going to upload your RAWs to a server then edit them there. How about games? Thin clients can do a lot, but they will NEVER replace a regular computer.

I agree with what you are saying about applications that require outright power, but the truth as always will be somewhere in the middle... my Exchange connected phone has replaced my need to use my laptop when I am on the road, and for that I am very happy, but would I exclusively choose my phone for email - no way.

So I agree that everything has its place in the eco system, there may be some blurring and overlap at the edges, but outright power users as you have said will always choose the real thing over the compromise...