[freakystyly]

The engineers designing the suspensions of these monster SUVs deserve more praise. I've never driven a "performance" SUV nor want to, but if they can somehow manage to hide 1000lbs of weight they deserve a gold star.

I understand electric cars have a lower center of gravity but the added battery weight is literally massive and should technically cause the car to slide in corners... They don't really apply to what I meant tho.

The ICE SUVs that sit up higher i.e. trackhawk. Like in that Grand Tour episode where Hammond was throwing it around looked like it was reasonably composed without fear of tipping over.

[lonegun]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Again you literally said " I am talking about track time " so why keep denying it. I'm not gonna even argue that anymore as its clearly posted above where I quoted you.

As for the 911, a generation put in production from 2004-2012, so yes a 10+ year old car pretty much, at best its 8-years old or worst 16-years old, but the world has evolved greatly since the 997 came into existence. The argument was never about capability, your original statement simply states a Model Y beats a 911 on track, that's the argument. No context what so ever, you never mentioned what generation 911, so of course someone's gonna argue that statement as I did and Germanauto who quickly replied to how laughable your comment was. Like you said its a hook, and what did you expect, that a poster with a 2 point reputation score and barely 60 posts wouldn't be branded as a Tesla fanboy with statements like that? We already have Tesla fanboys on this forum and have had many try and infiltrate threads so comments like that are of course going to get grouped with them. Without context who in their right mind would believe a Model Y would beat a 911 on track, that type of comment without context makes anyone look like a fool trying to compare a bread and butter sports car to an electric SUV especially on track. When you put those two cars in the same sentence, you made a general statement, without getting into the specifics about each vehicle, most will just infer that from your very short and non-detailed statement that you mean both stock for stock and new, essentially being a "fair comparison", because as we all know, any new 911 would decimate any Tesla on track.

What your post doesn't say is this. The Model Y that beat the 911 was actually an upgraded (non-stock) Model Y riding on a prototype suspension and brake upgrades unavailable to the public and the 911 that was beaten was a 2-generation old (8-16 years old) variant. With context that changes everything greatly as well as the interpretation of your original post, so yes, I am less impressed by an upgraded Model Y beating a 10+ year 911 no matter how capable the old 911 was.

As for your post original post, you are right, I didn't read it, because why would I want to read the rest of the post after your track statement, it sounded ridiculous, so yeah, I don't care about the rest, your post lost credibility for me at that point, and was not worth reading in my opinion. I don't have to read it entirely either hence why I used the quote feature to only get the one selection I reacted to and spoke about.

With that I bid you a good night, because I have no time left on stupid arguments like this, and will be happily pressing the ignore button. Hopefully moderators will end up taking down our posts anyways. Enjoy the GLA, Model Y or whatever it is.

And why did I put that in the first sentence of that post? To support the fact a relatively cheap SUV CAN be fast very functional in the same time, which you made no attempts to talk about. Instead you try to argue with the fact that it did indeed beat 911's track time, which is silly as I had already provided the link. Then you try to twist that fact by attempting to downplay the importance of 977 generation of 911, which DOES NOT disprove my statement in the first place. No one is saying Model Y is the best track car. I'm simply stating the fact it's more than capable.

So I will restate my point again, if you are in the market to buy a fast SUV either in straight-lines or on road, Model Y is a really good value for that.

[lonegun]

Originally Posted by David70

X1 - 24 City/ 33 hwy 27 combined
3 series 26/33 - 30 combined --- 15% better

Acceleration, handling, braking will also follow the same path. "Similar" aka worse but close enough in your mind.

I prefer to RWD for the same reason, 98% of the time I don't need or want it.

You can create a "best dollar/performance" criteria for anything if you create the metrics.

The new generation of 3 series, which IS better in fuel economy thanks to the engine components upgrade. Before the refresh in 2018, they have the exact same fuel economy of the combine 27 MPG. But unfortunately the new 3 series also suffered from the reliability issues perhaps due to these upgrades.

But if you really don't need that extra space and clearance especially in the snow or off road, then sure go for the 3 series. It WILL handle better on dry road, but not necessary in more extreme conditions. There's a reason why rally cars are front wheel drive based.

[David70]

Originally Posted by lonegun

The new generation of 3 series, which IS better in fuel economy thanks to the engine components upgrade. Before the refresh in 2018, they have the exact same fuel economy of the combine 27 MPG. But unfortunately the new 3 series also suffered from the reliability issues perhaps due to these upgrades.

But if you really don't need that extra space and clearance especially in the snow or off road, then sure go for the 3 series. It WILL handle better on dry road, but not necessary in more extreme conditions. There's a reason why rally cars are front wheel drive based.

2017 -

X1 S Drive 23/32/26 combined
330i 23/34/27 combined

FWD based vehicles are good for economy (part of reason it almost matches the 3 series), space and reducing cost. Bad for weight distribution and handling. Nobody buys a fwd based vehicle because they want the best handling vehicle and there's a reason RWD vehicles dominate the higher ends of the price spectrum.

[lonegun]

Originally Posted by David70

2017 -

X1 S Drive 23/32/26 combined
330i 23/34/27 combined

FWD based vehicles are good for economy (part of reason it almost matches the 3 series), space and reducing cost. Bad for weight distribution and handling. Nobody buys a fwd based vehicle because they want the best handling vehicle and there's a reason RWD vehicles dominate the higher ends of the price spectrum.

Unless you are in the snow or gravel To me, I want a car that can perform in any B road condition including some occasion off-roading. 3 series doesn't quite have enough clearance for that. Even potpoles on pavements can pose significant threat to the car. Not to mention it's longer and harder to park in cities. X1 is smaller in dimension while having much bigger trunk and interior space. Sure it's not as pretty or doesn't handle as nicely on perfect pavement, but that's a car I would take to the rockies in snow or sun.