[wdb]

Originally Posted by jeddo45

I think what needs to be done is what Tesla is currently doing. You keep your dang hands on the wheel and pay attention.

What Tesla is doing has killed two people so far, that I know of. I'm more concerned about some of these middle-ground modes than I am of fully autonomous mode.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Rampant

As an aviator by trade, let me ask you this question:

Would you get on a plane with no pilot.

I would not.

If Airbus had their way, there would be no pilot on board. Boeing have a different mindset. Boeing like the human involvement because they believe that human input makes a big difference to safety when things go wrong. Things do go wrong.

Yours Aye

Mark H

Under the right circumstances, sure. There's a Tom Clancy novel where they use drones to smuggle people out of North Korea. I'm an aviator and while I may not be comfortable with the idea, I am sure that as reliability is proven and systems improve, including fail-safes, we will be much more comfortable when it is finally introduced.

[jeddo45]

Originally Posted by wdb

What Tesla is doing has killed two people so far, that I know of. I'm more concerned about some of these middle-ground modes than I am of fully autonomous mode.

Not for it. At all. I should've clarified but at the very least, these Autopilot cars should all be like Tesla: your hands on the steering wheel at the very minimum, but if you take your hands off, it should immediately deactivate, which isn't the case. You have a grace period before it actually shuts off. That's a problem. And with this last fatality on that Model X, Tesla reported that there were no hands on the steering wheel, but the Autopilot software was active. That's a BIG DEAL!

No one with your normal car would never let your hands off the steering wheel completely while the vehicle is in motion unless your just asking for an accident.

And like I said, I'm sure Tesla just looks at is as collateral damage. They pull the logs, maybe tweak some software code, and move on.

I guarantee you this if that person driving the car didn't have the Autopilot software to depend on, they'd be alive.

[hellrotm]

I don't trust human driving.

[FC4]

Take one look at the average American.

I'll take my chances with Tesla's technology any day.

[tranquility]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

I don't trust human driving.

Originally Posted by FC4

Take one look at the average American.

I'll take my chances with Tesla's technology any day.

Can't argue w/ that

[Rampant]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Under the right circumstances, sure. There's a Tom Clancy novel where they use drones to smuggle people out of North Korea. I'm an aviator and while I may not be comfortable with the idea, I am sure that as reliability is proven and systems improve, including fail-safes, we will be much more comfortable when it is finally introduced.

Is the "drone" (how I *loathe* that word) in the Clancy novel "autonomous" or "remotely piloted"?

I'm not sure I trust you are an aviator. Particularly when you use the word "fail-safes".

Tell me how an *autonomous* jet with 300 passengers would've handled the Potomac or Sully situations or numerous others where outside the box thinking saved the day... We absolutely need pilots in the flight deck for those outlier situations that just cannot be foreseen by programmers. There's absolutely no question in my mind about that.


Yours Aye

Mark H

[Sedoy]

Better yet - take one look at the average teen... I'll take my chances with the average American any day

Originally Posted by FC4

Take one look at the average American.

I'll take my chances with Tesla's technology any day.

[StuP]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

Better yet - take one look at the average teen... I'll take my chances with the average American any day

Put that way, bring on autonomy, the standard of driving around here is appalling.

I'm not sure how I feel, there's pros and cons on both sides. I suspect more automation is on the way. I believe one of the big challenges is the 'mixed mode' model. If every vehicle was autonomous and communicating I believe there'd be very few accidents.

There's an awful lot of automation in a modern airliner, but a pilot's still necessary. Perhaps a driver is less necessary in a car.

Let's not forget two things; commercial pilots are generally highly trained and focused on the task in hand, unlike the average driver, and planes of all shapes and sizes still crash.

[uniqueMR]

We are not even close to Autonomous Driving

[Dog Face Pony Soldier]

Fully autonomous vehicles will be horrible to be in; for that reason they will fail in the marketplace. I say this because there is no way manufactures will be allowed to program them to break the law. These vehicles will be stuck (gasp) driving 25 in a 25 mph zone. It will be excruciating.

Also- fully autonomous vehicles will be near impossible to use in a highly-congested area like Manhattan. They literally WILL NOT be able to make a turn due to the high number of pedestrians in any given crosswalk. Humans perform what I've heard called an "aggressive yield" to make a turn. Too complex for an autonomous vehicle. Besides... people don't even adhere to driving lanes in most parts of Manhattan.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by glennQNYC

These vehicles will be stuck (gasp) driving 25 in a 25 mph zone. It will be excruciating.

You'll be too busy on your phone to notice. Already, I have to lay on the horn for people at stoplights to get the F out of the way and start moving when the light turns green.

[jeddo45]

Originally Posted by uniqueMR

We are not even close to Autonomous Driving

Yup...

Fresh off the press!

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-model-s-d...ash-1826022381

Another accident and Autonomous driving was on. 60mph into a stopped firetruck. I give the car credit for keeping that driver alive but that's just flat out crazy.

And some of you will still vouch for it. The problem with autonomous driving is we trust it too much. We trust a piece of software to think how we would in split second decisions.

[insanecoder]

Originally Posted by jeddo45

There was another reported accident with a minor injury involved with a Google Autonomous car. Last month, there was the Tesla fatality, before that the Uber self driving accident

Link for the Google car crash: https://jalopnik.com/google-minivan-...1825786457/amp

I get it. Car times are changing and sooner than later electric cars are going to be way more normal that I like to admit. But I feel like companies are just pushing this AutoPilot driving way too much, and quite frankly, way too fast.

I know the biggest argument that this poses is "but self driving cars cause less accidents than human drivers!" Yeah, talk to me when there are more self driving cars on the road than human drivers.

I don't like it, and I don't trust software turning my steering wheel. I think what needs to be done is what Tesla is currently doing. You keep your dang hands on the wheel and pay attention. I don't like that they are shooting for a fully autonomous driving mode. They should make it where your hands need to stay on the wheel and the second you take them off, autopilot deactivates. Not the case right now.

What do you guys think? You trust it? Am I crazy? Maybe I value my own brain over a piece of software...

Yer not crazy and this has been discussed previously
I just dont understand how people want to even get into a car and let a piece of software drive which can be flawed under certain situations and circumstances..
and call it driving..
if you dont want to drive.. hail a taxi or take a bus
People put too much faith in the state of software.. not I

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by uniqueMR

We are not even close to Autonomous Driving

Oh yes we are.

Insurance companies are the driving force.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by insanecoder

I just dont understand how people want to even get into a car and let a piece of software drive which can be flawed

Almost as crazy as getting into a car and sharing the road with other (absolutely flawed) drivers.

[RM7]

This is why I’ll never trust keyless cars: https://www.yahoo.com/news/keyless-c...212923823.html

[insanecoder]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

This is why I’ll never trust keyless cars: https://www.yahoo.com/news/keyless-c...212923823.html

URL didnt work

https://sports.yahoo.com/keyless-car...123629319.html

[jeddo45]

This just proves people rest are stupid enough to trust autonomous driving 100%.

https://jalopnik.com/the-autopilot-b...nge-1826048861