[M3ZING]

I Wanna Buy a supercar and these are the top 3 contenders i like the turbo but it lacks character
And i also like the GT3 but it lacks speed and the R8 is a mixture of both character From The GT3 and speed from the turbo. I also considered a 540c but im not sure on mclarens reliability. Give your opinions below.

[A418t81]

The GT3 is faster than you would think, and feels great on the street. My turbo makes quite a bit of power and I'm thoroughly satisfied with the seat of the pants feel of my GT3. The fact that you can bolt a set of DMS headers onto the GT3 and gain 30+ wtq and 40+ whp leaving the factory ECU flash intact is icing on the cake. 3.8L GT3s with those headers are ~127-128 mph cars which is basically as fast as the V10+ (high 10s ET), but a much more visceral feel. You can't go wrong with any of them really. One will speak to you the most. I'm interested in the V10+, but from what I've read it isn't nearly the "racecar for the street" that the GT3 is, and that is what I love the most about the Porsche.

[dgp]

I think the r8 v10+ is a 130mph trap car, stock GT3 is probably 123/124 traps so audi will feel faster on the street. At track may be a different story.

[hellrotm]

991.2 GT3 will most likely get the 4.0L from the RS. So it will be getting a power upgrade. GT3 will hold its value, if not go up in value after purchase.

[atxgt3]

I concur about the GT3, it's definitely fast. Feels much faster than my 997TT with GIAC tune, even if it doesn't have the torque. It's wild, and I've gone up against some fast cars on the street and held my own. My problem now is I don't know where to go from here because it's so good and so much fun.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by dgp

I think the r8 v10+ is a 130mph trap car, stock GT3 is probably 123/124 traps so audi will feel faster on the street. At track may be a different story.

GT3 traps 126 mph.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t3-test-review

New R8 v10 plus traps 129 so it's a bit faster but not neatly as sharp as the GT3 or turbo and the turbo is much much faster in any measure.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-5

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

GT3 traps 126 mph.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t3-test-review

New R8 v10 plus traps 129 so it's a bit faster but not neatly as sharp as the GT3 or turbo and the turbo is much much faster in any measure.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...e-specs-page-5

That was best trap that wasn't repeated in another test. Motor trend got 123mph traps on 991 GT3 and 125mph on 991 GT3 RS. Both would lose to R8 v10+ in a roll test.

Also 991.2 turbo S lost to the new 570S in a drag race which traps a few mph more with less hp!!

[A418t81]

My GT3 trapped 124.0 rolling up to the box straight off the street and running. No cool down, no burn out, no nothing. In better weather with all the appropriate drag racing prep I think I could get it to a very low 11 bone stock, but I don't really care to do that with this car. My point is that I'm used to, and like, a lot of power on the street and I've been very, VERY happy with my GT3.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by dgp

That was best trap that wasn't repeated in another test. Motor trend got 123mph traps on 991 GT3 and 125mph on 991 GT3 RS. Both would lose to R8 v10+ in a roll test.

Also 991.2 turbo S lost to the new 570S in a drag race which traps a few mph more with less hp!!

The Mclaren also weighs 400 lbs less and was on a very sticky p zero corsa tire (cup grip levels) vs the street tires on the Turbo S and r8 so that's not a surprise that it's a little faster. Even out the tires and things change a bit. The turbo S still beat them both in the comparo though given that it was better in grip, braking, slalom too.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

The Mclaren also weighs 400 lbs less and was on a very sticky p zero corsa tire (cup grip levels) vs the street tires on the Turbo S and r8 so that's not a surprise that it's a little faster. Even out the tires and things change a bit. The turbo S still beat them both in the comparo though given that it was better in grip, braking, slalom too.

The 911 turbo is awd (should be a big advantage) and still lost. Face it-the McLaren is super fast and has real high tech materials chassis(carbon tub vs steel/aluminum for Porsche). There is also a difference in trap speeds-and 570S is a few ticks above 991 turbo S (tires don't change the story there)!!!
Drive a 570S and then you'll see how advanced it is compared to 911 Turbo S! Or you can be a Porsche fanboy for life without ever knowing someone else can make a better car out there.

[TSM330i]

Go drive a McLaren and then drive the others. I don't know if you'll want to drive the others. I drove a 650S spyder and they are incredible cars!

You said you're looking for an exotic, the any of the P-cars are out. Only petrol heads even know what a GT3 or TT are. If you park the R8 or McLaren next to a 911, the 911 will be invisible, no one will even look at it.

I spoke to the McLaren dealership extensively about reliability (West Chester McLaren, PA) and he said they have a client that drives his MP4-12C everyday to Manhattan. He puts about 15K miles per year on the car and it's been dead reliable.

Definitely I'd vote for the McLaren.

[Motorsportenterprise]

Originally Posted by dgp

The 911 turbo is awd (should be a big advantage) and still lost. Face it-the McLaren is super fast and has real high tech materials chassis(carbon tub vs steel/aluminum for Porsche). There is also a difference in trap speeds-and 570S is a few ticks above 991 turbo S (tires don't change the story there)!!!
Drive a 570S and then you'll see how advanced it is compared to 911 Turbo S! Or you can be a Porsche fanboy for life without ever knowing someone else can make a better car out there.

Porsche also does and is starting to use more magnesium which is more high tech than CF being more durable due to notch sensitivity for starters. If they wanted to they could easily make CF tubs as they have before. They just don't need to on the 911. Maybe the 960 will.
No doubt the 570 is faster but again it should be. It has a much better power to weight ratio. But how come it couldn't stop in a shorter distance being lighter? Why isn't the transmission as good as PDK (granted none are)? Why wasn't it able to pull more lateral G on cup tires? Why couldn't it out handle the turbo S in the slalom (again on sticker tires)?

End of the day, the turbo S is still a better car and just as fun to drive. Both are more than fast enough.

I find the mclarens pretty underwhelming in their design inside and out. Simply not a fan. The 570 does drive well but not as good as a GT3/RS (which also recently bested one with ease in a C&D comparo and spanked it at the track).

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by TSM330i

Go drive a McLaren and then drive the others. I don't know if you'll want to drive the others. I drove a 650S spyder and they are incredible cars!

You said you're looking for an exotic, the any of the P-cars are out. Only petrol heads even know what a GT3 or TT are. If you park the R8 or McLaren next to a 911, the 911 will be invisible, no one will even look at it.

I spoke to the McLaren dealership extensively about reliability (West Chester McLaren, PA) and he said they have a client that drives his MP4-12C everyday to Manhattan. He puts about 15K miles per year on the car and it's been dead reliable.

Definitely I'd vote for the McLaren.

I love 911's. Manual S or 4S is more than enough car.
But, for an individual wanting something different...McLaren all day.
Look into the 570GT. My new favorite. A bit softer ride. Lift hatch glass with room for some gear. Fixed glass roof. They are working on a pull shade because people are complaining about heat. Little storage bins in doors. Glovebox. Still fast a hell.
570 Spyder is coming too.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Porsche also does and is starting to use more magnesium which is more high tech than CF being more durable due to notch sensitivity for starters. If they wanted to they could easily make CF tubs as they have before. They just don't need to on the 911. Maybe the 960 will.
No doubt the 570 is faster but again it should be. It has a much better power to weight ratio. But how come it couldn't stop in a shorter distance being lighter? Why isn't the transmission as good as PDK (granted none are)? Why wasn't it able to pull more lateral G on cup tires? Why couldn't it out handle the turbo S in the slalom (again on sticker tires)?

End of the day, the turbo S is still a better car and just as fun to drive. Both are more than fast enough.

I find the mclarens pretty underwhelming in their design inside and out. Simply not a fan. The 570 does drive well but not as good as a GT3/RS (which also recently bested one with ease in a C&D comparo and spanked it at the track).

More magnesium when you're still using steel in your chassis doesn't even come close to a full carbon tub. Price is similar for 991 turbo S and 570S while experience of driving both is not

[ridin135]

While I am a porsche nut I would go with the 570s hands down.

[TSM330i]

Originally Posted by Motorsportenterprise

Porsche also does and is starting to use more magnesium which is more high tech than CF being more durable due to notch sensitivity for starters. If they wanted to they could easily make CF tubs as they have before. They just don't need to on the 911. Maybe the 960 will.
No doubt the 570 is faster but again it should be. It has a much better power to weight ratio. But how come it couldn't stop in a shorter distance being lighter? Why isn't the transmission as good as PDK (granted none are)? Why wasn't it able to pull more lateral G on cup tires? Why couldn't it out handle the turbo S in the slalom (again on sticker tires)?

End of the day, the turbo S is still a better car and just as fun to drive. Both are more than fast enough.

I find the mclarens pretty underwhelming in their design inside and out. Simply not a fan. The 570 does drive well but not as good as a GT3/RS (which also recently bested one with ease in a C&D comparo and spanked it at the track).

You're really splitting hairs when it comes to the numbers. They are SO close and both are world-class performers (R8 V10 is as well).

The thing is, you're looking at the track data and McLaren has said they left a bit on the table with the 570S to make it a great road/drivers car rather than a full-blown track car.

The problem is, you can't really compare the GT3RS to a McLaren 570S. There is no way you're getting a GT3RS for the same price as the 570S. Price-for-price, the GT3RS costs what a 650S costs.
Chris Harris did a great comparison test of the AM GT12 vs. GT3RS and he ran his "loaner" 650S on worn street tires against them both on the track. The McLaren simply ran and hid from the other two. The reason he compared the 650S to them is they asking price for both of them is what a 650S costs. He said for his money, he'd buy the 650S.
Unfortunately, BBC is blocking the video for some reason.

In the end, if you park the two side-by-side the TT will be invisible next to the 570S. I want a "wow" factor with a car if I'm spending $200K for it.

[DieGrüneHölle]

I would take a 570S over 911 Turbo S, but not a GT3 RS.

McLaren just needs to make a LT version of the 570.

[dgp]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

I would take a 570S over 911 Turbo S, but not a GT3 RS.

McLaren just needs to make a LT version of the 570.

They might- a spyder is coming before though. And while GT3RS is faster at track, in regular street driving the 570S is much faster.

[M3ZING]

Originally Posted by dgp

They might- a spyder is coming before though. And while GT3RS is faster at track, in regular street driving the 570S is much faster.

Of course mclaren will make a hardcore stripped out version they always milk their models