[hl0m4n]

well im bored on this weird day of sunshine and thunderstorm so while i was watching tv gave a more serious thought about what i wanted to do in the future. yes im still young but i know exactly what job(s) i want to do. problem is i have no clue which.

so here i am asking all you guys at e90 post to help guide me in the right direction. i want a job that will give me financial stability in the future of coures and also is a kick ass job. so my choices are:

1. tuned car dealership: like cec i want to make a dealer but sell tuned cars and provide a special warranty on my aftermarket tuned cars so everything is good.

good: just need an mba
bad: takes alot of $$ and a high investor or partner which are hard to find.

2. demeratologist: my mom is a nurse and she tells me this and dentist are a huge money maker. they do barely no work and still get alot of dough. my dermatologist just gets nurse to draw blood, ask me a few qs, and writes me a prescription. they make alot of money for doing minimal work.

good: alot of $$ for little labor.
bad: all those hard years in med school.

3. plastic surgeon: i am really into this as well. something i want to do but one side is pulling me away and says ah im too lazy lol. also alot of $$ but takes alot of work establishing yourself.

good: a shit load of $$ o and yes i get the MD Plates as well
bad: alot of stress at work and years of med school.

please share your experiences as i look foward to reading them. i want to be able to buy a big house have an m3, gt2, and a 335i in driveway have a sl500 for the wife in future and a x5 3.0 as a family car and be able to repay parents with a house near me or my brother whichever they want, aston martin for the mums and a m5 for the pops this of course would be for the very later after i get a degree, get a job, and ultimately get established in life.

[ejazbmw]

i kinda giggled at this how are you going to ask a bunch of "strangers what should i do in my life?" its honestly up to you its your life not ours

[533ogetnom]

let alone your main goal is money, thats a good way to trap yourself in a job you dont like

[Juggs]

agreed with all of the above


money is simply a byproduct of happiness. the happier you are at what you're doing, the more money you will make


just because you get an investor and an MBA does not mean you will make a lot of money. if you're miserable, you inevitably will fail. So follow your heart and happiness

[CnoteMD]

Do NOT go into medicine unless you truly have a passion for the field. I have seen people go into medicine purely for monetary reasons and they didn't last very long.

I should also add that Dermatology and Plastic Surgery are among the most competitive medical fields, so "hard work" is an understatement.

[hl0m4n]

im simply asking tips and opinions about what you think. not to pick one for me. i just want to hear what you guys think.

and yes these 3 are the fields i AM interested in highly. mainly choice 1. i do not get squimish over blood, puke, etc (i know words can't describe the level of opening a body up and performing work but...)

my main concern is this as you can say. if i get an mba and computer certificate (for taking 6 comp classes) i start out small i guess as a bmw salesman lets say. but if i really wanted to open up my business selling tuned cars, getting a building, etc i would need a investor or a really rich partner. thus what happens if i can't find this? a business loan from a bank won't even cover everything. im afraid i will get stumped out on this.

my second main choice is dermatology or just derma surgeon. as you say, and are right, HIGHLY competitive field in medicine. but once you get everything done dermatology is one of the easiest field in medicine to get money. you go to work, examine, and write prescriptions or if your doing derma surgeon you do botox, etc which are all paid in CASH, as botox etc aren't covered on insurance.

plastic surgury is my last resort. it is a field i am interested in but i too think it is wayy to many years in college and b sooo much hard work to get there to go through intern, then establishing yourself.

damn i just simply don't know. anyone here on this forum a md?

[hl0m4n]

also i am generally not all about making alot of money in the future. i just have interests in field that give alot of money.

my personal aspect in life is this.
your young, why just get a job like a pharmasist (no offense) when you have a world of opportunities. and being in the year 2007 of technological advances come on. you have soo many things that are offered to you why not set a high goal for yourself and reach it.

if you want something, shoot for it. no reason for anyone to tell you not to. you want a ferrari work hard and get one. the feeling you get for achieving a goal is unlike something else. just sure joy.

[just4kickz]

Originally Posted by 533ogetnom

let alone your main goal is money, thats a good way to trap yourself in a job you dont like

from my experience... the majority of people who tell me "do what you like... not what you have to do" are those with money already.

my parents have always told me to do what i want... find my passion or whatever... but thats cause we're finally stable.

not really disagreeing or agreeing to you but thats just my 2cents

[Z4luvr]

There aren't many people who are mulling the decision "car tuner or MD?" If you have a passion to tune cars, do that and you will be successful and happy.

If you have a passion for medicine (and not just the perceived higher income) go into medicine. In order to excel in Medicine you will need outstanding grades and expect to work your @ss off in college and med school before seeing any return. Somehow I don't think tuning BMW's will require much education or nearly as much time spent. Not sure why you would require an MBA but an undergrad degree in business would probably be in order. You could work for someone else to learn the trade and then possibly attract some capital to head out on your own.

[Alchem]

Stay away from Medical ......FAR...FAR...FAR..away.
The only reason one must be a doctor now adays is if you have a STRONG desire to help people. If you are willing to go to Africa and live there for 1year to help the poor for no pay, then doctor is for you.

Otherwise for money reasons, prestege, job sequrity are all the wrong reasons. Doctor's salaries are on the decline, once National Healthcare comes, they will tank. Prestege...its not what it used to be, now being a doctor is just about milking your patients for money(not all, but some). Not to mention all the years in med school+residency.

Do you what you LOVE, then the money will come in. My friend is 19 and he is a pro at investing, he started with $807 in July 2006, and in one year he now has $7000. He LOVES it, infact so much that he gets bored when the markets are not open on the weekends.

Also medicine is EXTREMELY competitive, its hell, during undergrad...orgo anyone?..and hell through the rest of it. Most med grads i've talked say they wouldn't do it again, if they had a choice now. Don't expect to roll into Beverly Hills and set up private practice as a Plastic Surgeon, its cut throat.

[DasBlitz]

Originally Posted by just4kickz

from my experience... the majority of people who tell me "do what you like... not what you have to do" are those with money already.

my parents have always told me to do what i want... find my passion or whatever... but thats cause we're finally stable.

not really disagreeing or agreeing to you but thats just my 2cents

No your right. It is a load of shit. Because at the end of the day. Even if your job makes you happy if you are barely making ends meet is that joy going to feed you? Or pay your rent?

Sure do a job you have some interest in. But at the end of the day a job is a job. Not a hobby or a recreational activity. It is a job.

And to the OP, Do what you want. Find out something that is somewhat interested and has a good field. Do not do a major that will put you in high debt and wont offer a job right away. Our country is heading down a very unstable economical path. So getting into high debt for a field that has no jobs is not smart.

[hl0m4n]

after 4 years of freshman college i get a business degree? then i go to grad school and get mba?

[Alchem]

Originally Posted by hl0m4n

after 4 years of freshman college i get a business degree? then i go to grad school and get mba?

Sure if you want, but you can do any major and still get MBA afterward. Btw just becuase you have MBA does not mean you will make the cash you need to buy those cars, hell not even close. Business is cut throat, you have to out do everything the other guy is doing. Wake up earlier, work harder, stay in the office later...etc

[hl0m4n]

Originally Posted by Alchem

Sure if you want, but you can do any major and still get MBA afterward. Btw just becuase you have MBA does not mean you will make the cash you need to buy those cars, hell not even close. Business is cut throat, you have to out do everything the other guy is doing. Wake up earlier, work harder, stay in the office later...etc

for starters doesn't an mba give you a much better chance to get a job in the corporate world such as in manhattan?

and this business like i said i need investors or a righ partner to start. but hey if i was tuning cars i would love to wake up earlier, work harder, etc. i mean who gets to say ah today we are putting the final touches on the techart 997

[hl0m4n]

also look at this wow... expecially that 14 yo boy.http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work...84/30-Under-30

[CnoteMD]

As far as medicine in concerned, the reason I mention that you should have a passion for the field is because that is the only thing that will keep you going when you realize just what is involved to succeed.

First, your undergraduate major doesn't matter too much as long as you take the med school prerequisites. The usual things like grades, school reputation, mcat scores are all important. Once you get into medical school, the whole process starts over again. You residency placement is dependent again on grades, board scores, and med school reputation, as well as any work you have done (i.e., research, publications, etc).

After medical school, your residency (+/- fellowship training) could range from 3-7 years. Also keep in mind, that it was only recently that the accrediting boards put restrictions on residency work hours. And even then, its an 80hr work week.

When you consider that the average physician has close to $200k is student loans to repay once they start making a significant income, it becomes more clear why I only recommend medicine if you truly have a passion. Hearing statements such as "its easy to make money in Dermatology" are usually a sign of someone who hasn't thought things through very carefully.

Medicine has the potential for a comfortable living, but there are MANY sacrifices along the way that most people are not willing to make. And depending on the specialty, there may be far less income or prestige when you "arrive". But in the end, I am very satisfied as a cardiologist.

[Alchem]

Originally Posted by hl0m4n

for starters doesn't an mba give you a much better chance to get a job in the corporate world such as in manhattan?

and this business like i said i need investors or a righ partner to start. but hey if i was tuning cars i would love to wake up earlier, work harder, etc. i mean who gets to say ah today we are putting the final touches on the techart 997

Well yes it will help to have an MBA, but thats not the ONLY thing you will need. You need have gone to a competitive school, have top grades, and have great recommendations, and work experince. Knowing people in the right places will also help.

There are some companies like Bear Sterns, Goldman Sachs, that are very clubby, and mostly hire grads from Harvard, University of Chicago, Stanford..etc. But the rewards are that you get paid like crazy($330k base + 7 figure bonuses), esp in Goldman Sachs, that firm just seems to print money.

All those young people that started their own companes, well first you need an idea, and 2nd you need money and lots of it. I mean you are young, what do you have to lose? So what if you wasted all your money on a business when your are 25? A lot of 25 year olds are broke. After you have a family it won't be as simple to start a business.

[Revlis]

Originally Posted by just4kickz

from my experience... the majority of people who tell me "do what you like... not what you have to do" are those with money already.

my parents have always told me to do what i want... find my passion or whatever... but thats cause we're finally stable.

not really disagreeing or agreeing to you but thats just my 2cents

Not true... In fact I find more financially squared away kids NOT having enough ambition or drive to even figure out what they want to do. instead they float along and fall into the family business or follow the path of least resistance.

Do what you like, failing that, do what you have to do... first and foremost though you really have to decide what excites you. Then you have to temper that with "What is feasible".

If you haven't been to College yet that's where you start. Go get a degree, most of these questions will fall away after just a couple of semesters or a couple of years even but you'll get to know who you really are and what you really want to do. NOT what is popular on TV or what a Parent or teacher thinks is best for you.

Oh and IGNORE ANYTHING a freaking Guidance Counselor tells you... For the most part they are criminal in their idiocy and lack of clue.

Start talking to Universities, and get good grades. Excellent grades are the KEY to having the right doors open for you and finding yourself in a position to be able to do WHAT YOU WANT and get paid for it.



Don't even need parents with deep pockets. Take some pride and do it yourself...

[Revlis]

Originally Posted by hl0m4n

after 4 years of freshman college i get a business degree? then i go to grad school and get mba?

Need work experience between degrees to be taken seriously and you really need to get into a TOP school for your Masters/MBA.

BUT

Business isn't the only way to make money. At least not business as it is being discussed here.

[hl0m4n]

[QUOTE=CnoteMD;1232493]

When you consider that the average physician has close to $200k is student loans to repay once they start making a significant income, it becomes more clear why I only recommend medicine if you truly have a passion. Hearing statements such as "its easy to make money in Dermatology" are usually a sign of someone who hasn't thought things through very carefully. QUOTE]

thanks for your tip. i think i am misunderstood when i say dermatology is an easy money job. what i mean is compared to other field in medicine such as surgeon, plastic, neuro, etc derma is a wayy more easier job and still gets great pay. a bump up from that would be a derma who does botox, etc which is just a tad bump up. same as a dentist, easy job but great pay compared to other fields in medicine.

[Revlis]

[QUOTE=hl0m4n;1232899]

Originally Posted by CnoteMD

When you consider that the average physician has close to $200k is student loans to repay once they start making a significant income, it becomes more clear why I only recommend medicine if you truly have a passion. Hearing statements such as "its easy to make money in Dermatology" are usually a sign of someone who hasn't thought things through very carefully. QUOTE]

thanks for your tip. i think i am misunderstood when i say dermatology is an easy money job. what i mean is compared to other field in medicine such as surgeon, plastic, neuro, etc derma is a wayy more easier job and still gets great pay. a bump up from that would be a derma who does botox, etc which is just a tad bump up. same as a dentist, easy job but great pay compared to other fields in medicine.

Don't EVER look for the "easy" way. I am sure this isn't what you meant really. But the easy way is almost NEVER the right way FWIW...

[magmd]

Don't go into medicine. All the examples that you provided for what you hope to achieve, and what you consider to be happiness in your future lifestyle are clearly based on monetary success.

These days, medicine is not a money maker as it was in the past. Sure, dermatologist live comfortably...but it is one of the most competitive fields to get into these days. Mainly because 15-20% of medical school graduating classes are thinking the same way you are....they are flooding the dermatology applicant pool. Less and less people want to go into primary care...and the government is not providing any more resources to allow training programs to increase the number of dermatologist being produced. We only train about 250-300 dermatologist per year in the US...that is about 5-6 per state. Each training program receives about 200-400 applications for anywhere between 3-5 open positions. So, there is alot of demand for very few spots in the country. You do the math.

If you approach the selection process with your current POV...you are pretty much dead in the water. You will never make it, because individuals like me--- that sit on the selection committee, make it a point to do our best to screen this type of mentality out.