Who pays for their music?

blue2fire · 09-28-2009, 08:38 AM

1. It is much more convenient to steal music than buy it.

2. It is quite expensive for a download (no qualms with buying the CD's once in a while)

3. My only persuasion to pay for the music comes from a legal standpoint, not an ethical one

blue2fire · 09-28-2009, 08:41 AM

I do pay for things i cannot find for free but most of my (admittedly tiny collection) comes from free sources.

ArmyBimmerDude · 09-28-2009, 08:52 AM

Havent bought a CD in years.

Mu Mu · 09-28-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ArmyBimmerDude

Havent bought a CD in years.

+1...downloads are a lot easier, although I sometimes miss the tangibility of buying a CD!

Buegie · 09-28-2009, 09:35 AM

maybe I just don't know where to go to get it, but whenever I DL stuff the quality is always terrible. I like CD's, totally uncompressed

southlight · 09-28-2009, 09:48 AM

Ok, let me represent the minority here:

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Originally Posted by blue2fire

1. It is much more convenient to steal music than buy it.

No, it's not, it's just cheaper. I can't think of an easier way than to download songs from iTunes. Only downturn is when you're looking for some special remixes or new songs that might be on iTunes yet. But there are other legal sources for such songs.

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2. It is quite expensive for a download (no qualms with buying the CD's once in a while)

This point is debatable. IMO 1$ for a song is OK.

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3. My only persuasion to pay for the music comes from a legal standpoint, not an ethical one

I wouldn't know what the people in the music industry should live from if not from these sales.

My biggest concern with legal music platforms like iTunes used to be DRM. Now they're all DRM-free so I can use them in any other program like Traktor or SSL. Fast, convenient, legal and not that expensive. I don't know what more to ask for?

Best regards,
south

UltimateBMW · 09-28-2009, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by southlight

I wouldn't know what the people in the music industry should live from if not from these sales.

Concerts. Pretty sure most bands pocket a decent amount of coin from them.

silvergray545 · 09-28-2009, 10:08 AM

I listen to such a variety of music. I wouldn't be able to afford the clothes on my back if I bought everything that I like. So, in conclusion, I <3 torrents.

aut0sh0cker · 09-28-2009, 10:12 AM

100% "legally" obtained collection of 12,261 songs

legal here has the meaning of "not downloaded illegally"

i pooled music a few years back with a two close friends, but I pay for all new songs now.

southlight · 09-28-2009, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Concerts. Pretty sure most bands pocket a decent amount of coin from them.

Good point. Is it enough for the whole industry to survive? Not sure about that.

Best regards,
south

jaiman · 09-28-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Concerts. Pretty sure most bands pocket a decent amount of coin from them.

Completely irrelevant. If you don't want to pay for the music, that's fine. But bands having a couple of different income streams is not justification for not paying for music.

Before Napster you wouldn't have stolen a CD from a store because "the band will still make money touring". Why is it different when its an MP3?

blue2fire · 09-28-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jaiman

Completely irrelevant. If you don't want to pay for the music, that's fine. But bands having a couple of different income streams is not justification for not paying for music.

Before Napster you wouldn't have stolen a CD from a store because "the band will still make money touring". Why is it different when its an MP3?

The world we live in is changing constantly. Would you submit to an absolute Monarchy just because your ancestors lived under it?

blue2fire · 09-28-2009, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by southlight

Ok, let me represent the minority here:

No, it's not, it's just cheaper. I can't think of an easier way than to download songs from iTunes. Only downturn is when you're looking for some special remixes or new songs that might be on iTunes yet. But there are other legal sources for such songs.

This point is debatable. IMO 1$ for a song is OK.

I wouldn't know what the people in the music industry should live from if not from these sales.

My biggest concern with legal music platforms like iTunes used to be DRM. Now they're all DRM-free so I can use them in any other program like Traktor or SSL. Fast, convenient, legal and not that expensive. I don't know what more to ask for?

Best regards,
south

I think it is more easy. For instance, i can have an artist's entire discography downloaded to a computer in less than 5 steps.

I think the price is steep when you can buy a CD for the same price or (most of the time) cheaper.

As someone said, Concerts are one. Licensing also, probably.

Thanks

NewSong · 09-28-2009, 12:41 PM

I buy MP3s from Amazon.com. $1 a song.

guardianangel3290 · 09-28-2009, 12:50 PM

i should be all for downloading illeagally, but it really is much easier to hit up itunes.

its a pain in the ass having to find a torrent site to download a song that you hope has comparable quality and no viruses.

jaiman · 09-28-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by blue2fire

The world we live in is changing constantly. Would you submit to an absolute Monarchy just because your ancestors lived under it?

Yes, that's a reasonable comparison.

Lets say you get 2 jobs. One as a Walmart greeter and the other at McDonalds. At the end of you first week at McD's you manager says "I know you have another job, so I'm not going to pay you for the week." Is that fair?

radiantm3 · 09-28-2009, 01:17 PM

Before napster, there was scour.net (forgot what was right before that). When I discovered MP3's, I only bought CD's from bands I wanted to support. This was in college and I was pretty poor anyways, so that was my excuse.

I didn't start buying a lot of music until Apple opened the iTunes music store. And convenience was the main reason why. It's actually easier to pay for songs via iTunes than to steal them. Not only that, you are guaranteed to get a good copy (no pops/crappy bitrates, although arguable) and you can be sure the metadata is entered correctly. I started to buy from Amazon when they started selling MP3's because they were DRM-free, but now that iTunes is as well, I'm back to that. I'm still waiting for Apple to have a subscription model like the Zune store. I'd be all over that.

blue2fire · 09-28-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jaiman

Yes, that's a reasonable comparison.

Lets say you get 2 jobs. One as a Walmart greeter and the other at McDonalds. At the end of you first week at McD's you manager says "I know you have another job, so I'm not going to pay you for the week." Is that fair?

I wont resign myself to paying $1 for a song download because i drive a certain make of car, it does not make good sense.

You should learn about multiplication, if i have a relatively modest collection of 5000 downloaded songs, i would have paid about as much in dollars. Not an insignificant number.

southlight · 09-28-2009, 01:37 PM

Guys, please keep calm. I think this is a very interesting topic. I'd hate to close it, so behave. Thanks!

Best regards,
south

inabis · 09-28-2009, 01:39 PM

A lot of times, I download music as a trial. If I like it, I buy the CD. Honestly though, most music has been disappointing as of late. BP3 was not as good as everyone says it was....maybe I'm just getting old but I can't stomach most new age hip hop anymore. Most stuff i listen to is underground and not available on iTunes so I have no choice lol

ideliver · 09-28-2009, 01:47 PM

i buy cds...128kps is for SHIIIIT...it is almost unlistenable on anything except ipod ear buds

ZJP · 09-28-2009, 01:55 PM

Frostwire and torrents.

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