[Faredo]

I love the 335i but really hate how unpractical it is even as a second car. I sold my FJ Cruiser years ago and still have nightmares missing it so much... literally. Ive never owned a Subaru but looking at a 2015+ outback 2.5 or 3.6R. The closest dealer is an hour away but i really cant think of another car that will fit my needs. i.e. not as hard for little ones to get into as an fj/4runner etc. not as big for the garage, plenty of room, passing power. Anyone have experience moving from BMW to Subaru? regrets?


heres the old girl i let get away had her for 8 great years

[Mr Carrots]

You will despise the engine in either configuration if you get one.

Have you tried a Forester XT? It's got a CVT and isn't exactly thrilling to drive but has a ton of room, is one of the fastest mini SUV's and is pretty cheap for what it is.

[Taskmaster]

I mean, are you looking for a wagon?

[Faredo]

Originally Posted by Mr Carrots

You will despise the engine in either configuration if you get one.

Have you tried a Forester XT? It's got a CVT and isn't exactly thrilling to drive but has a ton of room, is one of the fastest mini SUV's and is pretty cheap for what it is.

briefly and it didn't really appeal to me. And no i dont mind a wagon at all.

[TheWatchGuy]

thats awesome you are confident enough to come out.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

thats awesome you are confident enough to come out.

Came in here to leave this comment, poached.

[BayMoWe335]

At least you have come to terms that you have lost and become a complete failure. Definitely something to admire.

[Hammer Werke]

f31

[Never_Enough]

CTS-V wagon?

[smrtypants44]

Originally Posted by Mr Carrots

You will despise the engine in either configuration if you get one.

Have you tried a Forester XT? It's got a CVT and isn't exactly thrilling to drive but has a ton of room, is one of the fastest mini SUV's and is pretty cheap for what it is.

FYI next gen Forrester drops the XT trim. N/A 4cyl only.

[BimmerAg]

My brother has a 2016 outback that I've driven a few times and it's OK. Handling was decent when driven on the roads in and around Mt Ranier. The CVT sucks. Space and comfort was good, and the stereo sounded nice

[aaaaah]

I couldn't do it because I can't stand CVTs. Tried Subaru, Nissan, Honda, they are all rubber bands that are awful to drive.

F31 328i/330i wagon? What's the budget?

The new V60 wagon sure is pretty as well and has ~310hp.

[Alfisti]

Gonna get laughed at but SERIOUSLY, try for a 2010ish Saab 9-3 wagon. Reliability has been surprisingly good on this model and it will cost you peanuts. It shits all over the outback, no comparison. Just not quite as much room.

[TSM330i]

E63S Wagon

[Faredo]

Originally Posted by aaaaah

I couldn't do it because I can't stand CVTs. Tried Subaru, Nissan, Honda, they are all rubber bands that are awful to drive.

F31 328i/330i wagon? What's the budget?

The new V60 wagon sure is pretty as well and has ~310hp.

I would like to keep it under 25k used. a 91 wouldn't be bad but would like a little more ground clearance.

[Germanauto]

This is absolutely bizarre.

Where I live, Subaru Outbacks are driven by a bunch of self-righteous granola crunching hippies who camp in the left lane.

In short, it's a dorky car for even dorkier people. I wouldn't be caught dead in such a sissy car.

[Faredo]

i mean... are we really going to start in on other cars owners stereotypes?

[FriskyDingo]

I will bypass the looks argument and bring something meaningful to the discussion. And is that I despise how they drive. Subarus in general, really. They're unrefined, agricultural, boring, slow, have cheap interiors, and the CVT is awful.

You should check out a Golf Alltrack, B8 A4 Allroad, or V60 Cross Country.

[Mr Carrots]

Originally Posted by Faredo

i mean... are we really going to start in on other cars owners stereotypes?

I'd rather other drivers assumed I was a asshole brodouch with broken turn signals than a 60 year old Portland lesbian vegan catlady who spends all day ranting on Twitter.

[The HACK]

I had an '09 WRX Wagon. My buddy who just bought his 340i had a '14 Outback and just bought another '18 Outback.

Of ALL the major auto manufacturers, there's maybe 2 or 3 that sort of hold true to what they do and who they are, and built cars with character and soul that few other manufacturers bother to emulate and compete with. There are few that don't let a few features define them, but define those segments for who they are.

Subaru is one of them.

They've taken the boxster 4 banger mated to a symmetrical AWD to perfection. So much so to a point that no other manufacturers try to copy that successful formula. And they stay relatively true to that "soul" in about everything they make, but instead of letting time pass by and try to catch up to technology, they've always kept their eyes on the prize...Not to be the best selling car company in the world, but built cars for those that LOVE who they are.

So yeah. They tend to draw some of the hippy love-fest crowd that likes the outdoors. There's no denying that. But they also build cars that hold up to the test of time, are very reliable, have incredible RESALE value, and do what they do incredibly well. That '09 WRX Wagon I had? I went from packing up 2 8' folding tables, a 20' tent, and all the stuff that goes with the street fair that my wife volunteered for to the very next day, lapping BMWs at a local track in torrential rain. And the next weekend camping with the family up in the desert and driving on dirt roads. And for an '09 it had all the requisite USB integration and whatnot that was lacking in our '08 328i and my '06 MZ4 Coupe. It wasn't until our '11 335D that the USB port integrated with my iPhone as well as the '09 WRX Wagon.

The interior wasn't all leather and soft touch plastic, but it wasn't meant to be a luxury car. But it wasn't cheap looking either. It was quality parts built to be practical. I bought the car for $24K and sold it for $20k 3.5 years later. Yes you read that right.

But back to the Outback. Sure, my friend just picked up a 340i to compliment his 3 other BMWs in the garage. But guess which car he was bragging about the last time I saw him? The Outback. That's right. He was more excited about his new Outback than he was with his 340i. It was "iSight" this and "AWD" that and "lane change avoidance" this...On and on and on. On the 340i? He showed me the digital gauge. That's mostly it.

Subaru, as a brand, now elicits the same sort of response as a fanboy I used to have for BMWs. For people who enjoy the outdoors (as evident by your FJ Cruiser) and want a car that does EVERYTHING well, not just cruise around the freeway and pretend you're something you're not? Very few brands give you that sense of belonging without pigeonholing you to a specific image like a Subaru.

I would love to have my '09 WRX Wagon back.

[c1pher]

I got all excited and thought someone was willing to trade a restaurant for a 335i.

I think I’d rather have an Audi Allroad.

[Alfisti]

Subaru reliable? That will do me, they are not, never have been. This myth continues to circulate.