[Littlebear]

If Murf#2 could tell us in a reportage kind of way about how Canadian laws about guns in cars is different & how he thinks this might burden the US gun owner, it could be enlightening!

[F30lolz]

So taser taser taser officer has been on the force for about 26 years and has been placed on admin leave. With Floyd’s family receiving $27M and Wright’s family will be getting a decent chunk, what are your thoughts about these settlements coming out of officers pensions? I heard that on the radio this morning arguing that it’ll make the officers be more self aware and hold more accountability.

I mean, a mistake from an officer shouldn’t have to be paid by all LEO’s.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by mahalom3

I call it a love tap lol...

You and I agree.

Originally Posted by F30lolz

So taser taser taser officer has been on the force for about 26 years and has been placed on admin leave. With Floyd's family receiving $27M and Wright's family will be getting a decent chunk, what are your thoughts about these settlements coming out of officers pensions? I heard that on the radio this morning arguing that it'll make the officers be more self aware and hold more accountability.

I mean, a mistake from an officer shouldn't have to be paid by all LEO's.

I don't agree that it should come out of the pension. Mistakes will be made. It shouldn't affect the officer's livelihood, especially considering one may have never had any significant disciplinary issues.

Taking people's pensions won't stop mistakes from happening. We are human.

[premier3is]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

(I think I should have called him Captain Avoidance.)
That is the oxygen, or the elephant in the room, if you will.
Approaching from the other side of the car is a very limited solution, & frankly, hardly the concern of citizens.
How did the legal guns become illegal guns? Not by themselves; a person helped.
In the US, the excuse for inaction is always "2A", until the shooting, when it becomes "...he was crazy & ...!"
Where is the action in between? You know, the hard part?

Murf

Gun control will be one of the hardest things to accomplish in this country. Voiding or rewriting the 2nd amendment would mean you can do that to any other amendment and that basically means the bill of rights would lose its sole purpose.

It's a lot deeper than just saying "let's have a form of gun control in place." I don't have the answer to this for you.

Even if there is a change, there will be a rise in illegal arms entering this country in one way or another, meaning even more criminals will have access to weapons. Like I said, I really have no solution but maybe we can start off by outlawing owning automatic rifles by civilians? I'd love to know why a regular person should be allowed to own one.

Also cmon man, Sedan_Clan and Murf993 are just here answering questions for us all here that we as non LE always wonder. No need to bash them. let's just keep it respectful.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by premier3is

Gun control will be one of the hardest things to accomplish in this country. Voiding or rewriting the 2nd amendment would mean you can do that to any other amendment and that basically means the bill of rights would lose its sole purpose.

It's a lot deeper than just saying "let's have a form of gun control in place." I don't have the answer to this for you.

Even if there is a change, there will be a rise in illegal arms entering this country in one way or another, meaning even more criminals will have access to weapons. Like I said, I really have no solution but maybe we can start off by outlawing owning automatic rifles by civilians? I'd love to know why a regular person should be allowed to own one.

Also cmon man, Sedan_Clan and Murf993 are just here answering questions for us all here that we as non LE always wonder. No need to bash them. let's just keep it respectful.

"Gun control will be one of the hardest things to accomplish in this country. Voiding or rewriting the 2nd amendment...."
And this is what they no doubt said in Australia back in those dark days. I prefer speaking of "gun safety" and "reinterpreting" the 2A. But we can't just wring our hankies.

Respect is a two way street (Clan: "I just ignore him...."). I wish Clan & Murf#2 could respect the real & valid papers & opinions I put up here to counter some of their untenable opinions. It seems you can only be with them or against them.
Life doesn't work that way. If you put an opinion out, be prepared to explain it.

Murf

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by premier3is

Gun control will be one of the hardest things to accomplish in this country. Voiding or rewriting the 2nd amendment would mean you can do that to any other amendment and that basically means the bill of rights would lose its sole purpose.

It's a lot deeper than just saying "let's have a form of gun control in place." I don't have the answer to this for you.

Even if there is a change, there will be a rise in illegal arms entering this country in one way or another, meaning even more criminals will have access to weapons. Like I said, I really have no solution but maybe we can start off by outlawing owning automatic rifles by civilians? I'd love to know why a regular person should be allowed to own one.

Also cmon man, Sedan_Clan and Murf993 are just here answering questions for us all here that we as non LE always wonder. No need to bash them. let's just keep it respectful.

Very, VERY few Americans own automatic firearms, and those who do have NFA tax stamps and the government knows exactly who those people are. Semi-automatic is another story, and that applies to all handguns/rifles/shotguns that aren't revolvers, bolt action or pump action.

[premier3is]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Very, VERY few Americans own automatic firearms, and those who do have NFA tax stamps and the government knows exactly who those people are. Semi-automatic is another story, and that applies to all handguns/rifles/shotguns that aren't revolvers, bolt action or pump action.

I just don't understand why autos and semi autos can't get banned. What the hell is the need to own one?

assumption is 2nd Amendment comes into play or what?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by premier3is

I just don't understand why autos and semi autos can't get banned. What the hell is the need to own one?

That's not going to rid gun violence. Snipers often use bolt-action rifles that shoot rounds that will dismember a person. A revolver can kill as easily as a semi-automatic handgun. A shotgun is a highly effective and destructive firearm. If somebody wants to kill, they will do it. Automatic/semi-automatic is just a talking point, just like high capacity magazines.

People who tend to push this semi-automatic/high capacity magazine narrative either just don't know much about firearms, are disingenuous about their true objectives or a mixture of both.

[IllSic_Design]

Originally Posted by premier3is

I just don't understand why autos and semi autos can't get banned. What the hell is the need to own one?

assumption is 2nd Amendment comes into play or what?

Lol you know most handguns are semi-automatic correct? You want them to just outlaw everything besides revolvers, bolt action, single fire, etc?? As Sedan-clan said, that won't stop anything....

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

Lol you know most handguns are semi-automatic correct? You want them to just outlaw everything besides revolvers, bolt action, single fire, etc?? As Sedan-clan said, that won't stop anything....

+1

Criminals will be criminals will be criminals. Limit the people, and you only give criminals more leverage. This should be common sense to anybody with a working brain between their ears.

[unluky]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

Lol you know most handguns are semi-automatic correct? You want them to just outlaw everything besides revolvers, bolt action, single fire, etc?? As Sedan-clan said, that won't stop anything....

This is an issue to me - the people calling for bans usually are calling for things to be banned that are ALREADY banned. The listen to them media and their "black gun bad" mantra. No one can just walk in and legally buy a automatic firearm without a ton of paperwork and government permission. Has even ONE of those every been used in a felony? If so - it's is not many. Those are not the problem.

The genie is out of the box. You can build a firearm with equipment that many private citizens already have. You'll never get rid of them. You'll only take them away from those that would never use them for evil in the first place.

Each time these things happen - MANY laws are broken. Another law to a criminal is like another drop in the ocean.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by unluky

This is an issue to me - the people calling for bans usually are calling for things to be banned that are ALREADY banned. The listen to them media and their "black gun bad" mantra. No one can just walk in and legally buy a automatic firearm without a ton of paperwork and government permission. Has even ONE of those every been used in a felony? If so - it's is not many. Those are not the problem.

The genie is out of the box. You can build a firearm with equipment that many private citizens already have. You'll never get rid of them. You'll only take them away from those that would never use them for evil in the first place.

Each time these things happen - MANY laws are broken. Another law to a criminal is like another drop in the ocean.

Exactly! If I wanted to break the law, I could 3D print myself some parts, buy the other unserialized parts I need elsewhere and have ghost guns galore. Like you said, the genie is out of the bag/box/lantern.

[Frostynorth]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Exactly! If I wanted to break the law, I could 3D print myself some parts, buy the other unserialized parts I need elsewhere and have ghost guns galore. Like you said, the genie is out of the bag/box/lantern.

Agreed. Canada keeps banning more and more guns to no effect.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Frostynorth

Agreed. Canada keeps banning more and more guns to no effect.

What's the gun crime like up there?

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Exactly! If I wanted to break the law, I could 3D print myself some parts, buy the other unserialized parts I need elsewhere and have ghost guns galore. Like you said, the genie is out of the bag/box/lantern.

As has been said before, entropy rules. If you don't go forwards, you will go backwards.
Every once in a while we get new tax laws because folks have figured ways around the old laws. What, we should stop trying to collect taxes?
Nobody says we are going to solve the problem, but can we significantly lessen it? Many countries have.
Someone above said we have all kinds of laws to buy guns, so most purchases are legal. Then how do we have so many illegal guns being transported interstate? Some nice person isn't following the law when re-selling, or do we have purchasing loopholes?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Murf

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Frostynorth

Agreed. Canada keeps banning more and more guns to no effect.

??

https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/c..._of_gun_deaths

[infinitekidM2C]

You'll take my musket over my dead body.

[Frostynorth]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

What's the gun crime like up there?

Illegal/Stolen handguns are the problem. There are DIY and autos that pop up rarely, but that's usually found in a raid.

Knives are just as bad here.

Originally Posted by Littlebear

??

https://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/c..._of_gun_deaths

This is gun deaths. Suicide is a major part of that.

It's not law abiding citizens with shotguns and rifles. Handguns are difficult to get and have very strict transportation rules for those with a restricted license. Home - range - home.

--

"In Canada, there were 130 homicides committed using a handgun in 2016, the most since 2005. These accounted for 21% of homicides overall, and 58% of shooting homicides.

Since 1996, handguns have been used in 16% to 21% of homicides each year, except for 1998 (13%). "

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/.../00004-eng.htm

[upstatedoc]

Originally Posted by infinitekidM2C

You'll take my musket over my dead body.

Pics of musket?

[Joekerr]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

As has been said before, entropy rules. If you don't go forwards, you will go backwards.
Every once in a while we get new tax laws because folks have figured ways around the old laws. What, we should stop trying to collect taxes?
Nobody says we are going to solve the problem, but can we significantly lessen it? Many countries have.


Murf

Many countries are starting from a different point. For example, they aren't in a situation where it is estimated there are more guns than people in their country. What do you do then when guns outnumber people? Those bad guns could stage a coup and take over the country!!

But seriously - what? It is one thing to work from a position where there is far less guns than people...can slowly pare them down even further over time. But you guys? Nah. It isn't happening, you've reached critical mass.

Originally Posted by infinitekidM2C

You'll take my musket over my dead body.

Should be easy enough. While you are tamping down your powder, I'll just use the business end of the bayonet on mine to put you down, and then I'll have TWO MUSKETS!!!! Muhahaha - should be ready for a drone fight then!

[Littlebear]

annual gun deaths:

Canada: 1 per 54,676 citizens
US: 1 per 8,689 citizens

Well, they say Canadians are very nice!

(these #s were found fast. Pls correct if needed)

[Frostynorth]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

annual gun deaths:

Canada: 1 per 54,676 citizens
US: 1 per 8,689 citizens

Well, they say Canadians are very nice!

(these #s were found fast. Pls correct if needed)

Haha, well we try.

With those numbers, one has to remember that the US has 10x our population.

It's easier to find per 100,000.
Canada 0.72 - Homicide (2018) - US 4.46
Canada 1.40 - Suicide (2018) - US 7.32