[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Probably bad news for redbull as it's not going to be an easy fix.

Originally Posted by Artemis

Undoubtedly Red Bull will take a closer look at the power unit temperature data: does it feature excessive peak values compromising engine longevity (an issue with engine heat management) ?

Forthcoming weekend: the layout of the Saudi Arabia (Jeddah) circuit with long straights and an average speed of almost 245 km/h per lap, substantially strains the engines in terms of heat management. Let's see how the Red Bull PU will cope with it this time around: if it cannot handle the heat during the 300+ km race, yet another DNF is a risk if the PU is permanently pushed to its limits.

Well ...I just heard one of the rumors that the Red Bull's just ran out of fuel...
It's not confirmed by Red Bull yet , if this is true ...They probably never will .

Can be ..But it would be a shame for the Red Bull engineers !

Let's hope for more news about the whole situation ...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I'm just starting to get warmed up with a shot of hard stuff later

I just re-watched the best moments of the race ...

And I see ...more and more that these 2022 cars move like fat lazy pigs through the turns !

[Foghorn]

Originally Posted by F87source

My question is if redbull is capable of a pu fix on their own at this time, or if they are still reliant on honda, and if the latter how much honda is willing to help now that they are out of the game.


MGUK on the honda pu's seem to be problematic as well, and not to mention the power steering issues that plauged tusonda on testing (so there are probably issues there too) so there is alot of issues for redbull to fix.

Well that’s the issue, did Honda leave F1, are they back, or was it just a way to get an engine freeze?

https://onestopracing.com/what-engin...1-use-in-2022/

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well ...I just heard one of the rumors that the Red Bull's just ran out of fuel...
It's not confirmed by Red Bull yet , if this is true ...They probably never will .
Can be ..But it would be a shame for the Red Bull engineers !
Let's hope for more news about the whole situation ...

If that's accurate: if VER and PER would have made it past the chequered flag at the Bahrain race, but subsequently would not have managed a 1.0 litre sample of fuel to be taken from their cars, they both would have been disqualified.

Remember the DSQ of VET (P2) at the F1 2021 Hungary race because of his Aston Martin being too low on fuel (only a 0.3 litre sample of fuel got extracted): see here and here.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

I just re-watched the best moments of the race ...

And I see ...more and more that these 2022 cars move like fat lazy pigs through the turns !

The cars remind me of ''Billy Bunter'' overweight and clumsy compared to the '21 cars.

[Artemis]

This one is especially for Killed by Death.

KMAG and Gunther Steiner at the end of the race ("Kevin, that was some f**king viking comeback, f**king great, I cannot believe it, thank you"):

[Foghorn]

Originally Posted by Artemis

This one is especially for Killed by Death.

KMAG and Gunther Steiner at the end of the race ("Kevin, that was some f**king viking comeback, f**king great, I cannot believe it, thank you"):

Awesome

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Foghorn

Awesome

That was awesome

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Artemis

This one is especially for Killed by Death.

KMAG and Gunther Steiner at the end of the race ("Kevin, that was some f**king viking comeback, f**king great, I cannot believe it, thank you"):

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Foghorn

Awesome

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Günther Steiner needs his own show:

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by F87source

MGUK on the honda pu's seem to be problematic as well, and not to mention the power steering issues that plauged tusonda on testing (so there are probably issues there too) so there is alot of issues for redbull to fix.

Luckily for them MGUK is one of the components not homologated until Sept 1st. They will figure it out and probably with an upgrade included.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M3WC

Luckily for them MGUK is one of the components not homologated until Sept 1st. They will figure it out and probably with an upgrade included.

Sure, but they only have 1 shot of upgrading it. So if the current mguk keeps failing it'll pressure them into rushing an upgrade meaning that upgrade could be compromised, and since there's only 1 shot to upgrade this could be a huge problem.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well ...I just heard one of the rumors that the Red Bull's just ran out of fuel...
It's not confirmed by Red Bull yet , if this is true ...They probably never will .

Can be ..But it would be a shame for the Red Bull engineers !

Let's hope for more news about the whole situation ...

I think I was due to fuel starvation due to cavitation and heating, well at least that's what I'm hearing now. If this is the case, the video I posted from the race was actually right all along. They speculated redbull didn't do enough long running to understand the effects of high temps on the e10 fuel and how that can starve the fuel pump due to cavitation.

Originally Posted by Foghorn

Well that’s the issue, did Honda leave F1, are they back, or was it just a way to get an engine freeze?

https://onestopracing.com/what-engin...1-use-in-2022/

Nope Honda's done, they sold their engine patents and intellectual property to redbull. But redbull is still contracting Honda to continue to build the engines until the new regulations. So manufacturering wise they're still around, but not for development so idk how redbull will cope with issues seeing that they have no experience.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well ...I just heard one of the rumors that the Red Bull's just ran out of fuel.

That is a simple fix if true, but a costly mistake by the team.

Running out of fuel would explain both of them literally losing power within a half of lap of each other. The failures happen at almost the same time, just odd.

[Artemis]

Interesting to hear the conversations of both VER and PER reporting issues they encounter with the car.

Driving the car on the limit with hands and feet, competitors scrambling around, keeping eyes on the track / mirrors / steering wheel, tinkering with settings and having a frantic conversation, while millions of people worldwide are watching. That was a hard day in the office.

[GuidoK]

If running out of fuel is the problem, RB has miscalculated it by quite a margin I think.
A good 2 laps (almost 4%) and then you at least have to have 1L in the tank, plus some extra.. (so in my book that's probably more than 10% off).

Of course if cavitation is the problem, that means that there's still fuel there, but maybe the pump needs to be under the fuel line more than it was, so it can also be a matter of not the optimal shape for the fueltank or so.
Being F1, the problem can probably be explained in very simple words and probably in incredibly complicated words

I hope RB will come with an in depth explanation. (but maybe they want to keep some technical facts of the problem for themselves)

[MontyB1]

I can't see the problem being running out of fuel, not being able to get the fuel into the engine well that's a whole other thing.

Either way if its something there that is unlikely to be an easy fix and nothing they have seen in testing as they probably ran heavy all the time so haven't tested with low fuel. Get to low fuel and high fuel temps and issues. McLaren appear to have put some components in boxes in the fuel tank, what the fix is for RB we shall see.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

If running out of fuel is the problem, RB has miscalculated it by quite a margin I think.
A good 2 laps (almost 4%) and then you at least have to have 1L in the tank, plus some extra.. (so in my book that's probably more than 10% off).

Of course if cavitation is the problem, that means that there's still fuel there, but maybe the pump needs to be under the fuel line more than it was, so it can also be a matter of not the optimal shape for the fueltank or so.
Being F1, the problem can probably be explained in very simple words and probably in incredibly complicated words

I hope RB will come with an in depth explanation. (but maybe they want to keep some technical facts of the problem for themselves)

• MAX

• His steering wheel => https://www.f1maximaal.nl/formule-1/...ijdens-pitstop

• The Fuel/Pump and DNF => https://www.f1maximaal.nl/geruchtenc...tappen-en-prez

[irunalot]

Here are a few technical break downs of the weekend also including the RB failure.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Mercedes-AMG did not include a picture. It was just the phrase "You love to see it." posted right after the race (5:40pm):

OK, let's not be naïve, it is definitely ambiguous:

• either Merc-AMG is confirming to be very satisfied with P3 and P4 for HAM and RUS, given the difficult circumstances;
• and/or Schadenfreude of Merc-AMG because of the DNF by VER and PER; IMHO that's always a bad idea, because that narrative may backfire later this season.

Anyways, undoubtedly the Red Bull team will read Schadenfreude in it, and will consider it a bill to be settled.

Hypothetically speaking: if LEC and HAM would be fighting for WDC in the final stages of the 2022 season with VER mathematically out, this kind of Merc-AMG tweets may galvanize VER to become LEC's virtual second team mate. Remember the 2016 Abu Dhabi F1 WDC deciding race: HAM (P1) held up his team mate ROS (P2) who was chased by VET (P3) and VER (4) (VET and VER managing to heavily breathe into the neck of ROS each time HAM deliberately slowed down the pace in front of ROS).

Fair point, ask Valentino Rossi if poking Marc Marquez with insults hurt his 2015 MotoGP championship campaign against Lorenzo.

[irunalot]

I'm sure it did hurt him, you should never give your opponents motivation. To be honest both teams have been taking shots at each other for quite sometime, and one worse than the other depending on who you ask.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Here are a few technical break downs of the weekend so including the RB failure.

Vapor lock seems like a reasonable culprit.