[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by JoeyBananaz18

lol i wonder what they fight about. maybe, who's better: My GT3RS or his GT2?
this site is such a disappointment sometimes.

I have yet to see any crap like this on 6speed or rennlist. This site is pure entertainment!

[nal13]

Originally Posted by Nikolas

I have yet to see any crap like this on 6speed or rennlist. This site is pure entertainment!

The entertainment comes from all the fanboys and 18 year old boys with PhDs (papa has dough)

All the other auto pages i'm a member of is all about the love, passion, and driving. Overall though quite an enjoyable web page.

[herro]

Originally Posted by nal13

The entertainment comes from all the fanboys and 18 year old boys with PhDs (papa has dough)

All the other auto pages i'm a member of is all about the love, passion, and driving. Overall though quite an enjoyable web page.

+1

I definitely enjoy e90post overall, but the level of fanboy-ism and "I iz enthusiast and knowz better than j0o" attitude on this site can only be matched by e46fanatics. You'll find idiots on any forum, though

[rikwynnpa]

Another brilliant comment. The M3 is a race car bolted up to a $35K platform. Does Audi have an M division that has been making street legal race cars for 20 years? Guess not. Audis are 2nd tier German cars. Thats just a fact.

Originally Posted by LeadFootWOT

But let me guess -- dropping a V8 into a car designed to sell for $35K (Ahem, M3) is a good idea to you? Typical fanboi rhetoric.

[herro]

Originally Posted by rikwynnpa

Another brilliant comment. The M3 is a race car bolted up to a $35K platform. Does Audi have an M division that has been making street legal race cars for 20 years? Guess not. Audis are 2nd tier German cars. Thats just a fact.

Quattro gmbh, founded in 1983:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quattro_GmbH

"quattro GmbH can be regarded to Audi in a similar manner like the other German car manufacturers "performance divisions" – such as "Mercedes-AMG GmbH" to Mercedes-Benz, or "BMW M GmbH" to BMW."

Audi RS4, Audi RS5, Audi RS6, Audi R8

Ew.

Your 335 is a nice car, but it's not like you drive a Lambo (which, coincidentally is owned by VW.. but I guess it's just another example of them upselling their $25k cars for $200k) - not sure where your superiority complex comes from... - we get it, you're the f'ing man and anyone that buys a 328i or an Audi are driving 2nd tier cars and are jealous they can't afford the true crown jewel of German engineering

Get off your ego trip and be reasonable.. believe it or not, you're not that awesome.

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by rikwynnpa

Another brilliant comment. The M3 is a race car bolted up to a $35K platform. Does Audi have an M division that has been making street legal race cars for 20 years? Guess not. Audis are 2nd tier German cars. Thats just a fact.

Really the M3 is a street legal race car? Good god. I think you might want to look at Audi's racing history just a little.

Audi's are considered second tier in Germany, along with BMW. Merc and Porsche hold the first.

[JoeyBananaz18]

Originally Posted by rikwynnpa

Another brilliant comment. The M3 is a race car bolted up to a $35K platform. Does Audi have an M division that has been making street legal race cars for 20 years? Guess not. Audis are 2nd tier German cars. Thats just a fact.

you ever hear of DTM?

[nal13]

There are very few "street legal" race cars out there. Actually I can't think of anything with either two or four doors that would qualify under 150K. However, in Germany, many would say if there was such a four door car that it would be the RS6. The car puts out 580 bhp.

Again to many fanboys and little children on this tread. Sporty BMWs/Audis/and Mercs are all fun cars to drive. All have the quarks and strengths. But none of them are supercars.

[cstavaru]

Originally Posted by sf_loft

Show me an article or test data to prove. I'm not trying to convince anyone of the S4, just actually interested in knowing how these knowledgeable people get their information.

Well, like I said, "to me"

But I did some simple math:

Audi S4: 3924lbs, 333hp - 0.084 hp/lb
BMW 335i + PK: 3605lbs, 320hp - 0.088 hp/lb

[herro]

Originally Posted by sf_loft

Lol. I can see the spiked greasy hair, ed hardy shirt, embroidered jeans, and jewelry when you come out of your 3 series fist pumping thinking you're all that for owning a BMW. A 3 series is in the entry level luxury category and in PA, maybe it's a bit better than the average, but in California they are a dime a dozen. There are as many 3 series here as Honda accords. Mostly 325 / 328's with bare bone options, leased, because people just want the brand image. In the LA Times, an editor mentions how the e92 coupe is the defacto minimum if you want to appear successful in the entertainment industry. That is why you see them every where. People don't buy these cars for performance, but rather image. It's your elitist attitude that gives BMW drivers such a bad rap.

... exactly, to 99% of the general public, the 335i is just another 3'er on the road; outside of a few thumbs up from some dudes driving modded Bimmers, no one gives a shit.

I wouldn't mind his elitist attitude so much if he at least got his information correct. There's nothing worse than a "misinformed" elitist.

[josephr25]

Originally Posted by sf_loft

It's funny now that I am also a member of audiworld, I don't see the type of threads I see on here. I don't know how many of you are also members of bimmerfest.com, but e90post's demographic is something special.

Small yellow schoolbus special.

Many people have turned the BMW brand into a joke. Having what used to be an entry-level "luxury" German car gives them a god complex.

[nal13]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

Well, like I said, "to me"

But I did some simple math:

Audi S4: 3924lbs, 333hp - 0.084 hp/lb
BMW 335i + PK: 3605lbs, 320hp - 0.088 hp/lb

Just as the N54 engine is underrated by BMW, the Audi 3.0 SC is grossly underrated. Publications have ran anywhere from 360-400 at the crank for this engine. If you do the math

380hp 3924, 333 = 0.096 hp/lb

I hate to do this but if you compare the S4 tested in the previous Road and Track and compare it to the M3 they tested a year or so ago in the article "hyper-performance sedans", the number of the S4 actually beat the e90 M3. 0-60 in 4.5 vs 4.6 in favor of the S4. 1/4 @ 12.9 vs 13.0 in favor of the S4. The trap speed for the m3 was faster at 110 even vs 108.8 so the M3 would probably dust the S4 once you get to high speeds. Keep in mind these cars were tested at the same track in irvine ca under almost identical conditions.

However were comparing the S4 to the 335i. So I guess to all you fanboys this means your 335i can toast an M3 since its such a superior car to the S4.

[cstavaru]

Originally Posted by nal13

Just as the N54 engine is underrated by BMW, the Audi 3.0 SC is grossly underrated. Publications have ran anywhere from 360-400 at the crank for this engine. If you do the math

380hp 3924, 333 = 0.096 hp/lb

Have you noticed that I used the standard numbers for both 335i and S4 ? Would you mind using the over-inflated numbers for 335i too and do the math again ?

Originally Posted by nal13

So I guess to all you fanboys...

Don't you find it comical how the Audi "genuine enthusiasts", while actively participating in this thread call the BMW guys "fanbois"

In my opinion, no one that has replied in this thread is better than anyone else that has replied as far as fanboism goes. I would just like everyone to admit they are some brand's fans and quit displaying this hypocrisy of "some are fanbois but I am not" while in fact it may be the other way around.

[josephr25]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

Have you noticed that I used the standard numbers for both 335i and S4 ? Would you mind using the over-inflated numbers for 335i too since you think the S4 is underrated ?



Don't you find it comical how the Audi "genuine enthusiasts", while actively participating in this thread call the BMW guys "fanbois"

The fanboys really are fanboys. Look at some of the stupid posts we have in this thread, let alone this website.

Fanboys also tend to take criticism of their cars personally.

[blue2fire]

Originally Posted by rikwynnpa

Another brilliant comment. The M3 is a race car bolted up to a $35K platform. Does Audi have an M division that has been making street legal race cars for 20 years? Guess not. Audis are 2nd tier German cars. Thats just a fact.

Yeah, Audi makes 2nd tier Supercars. That, unlike your post is a fact.

[nal13]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

Have you noticed that I used the standard numbers for both 335i and S4 ? Would you mind using the over-inflated numbers for 335i too since you think the S4 is underrated ?



Don't you find it comical how the Audi "genuine enthusiasts", while actively participating in this thread call the BMW guys "fanbois"

I've owned two BMWs and know that i will come back to the brand in the future. It was just time for a change. I can confidently say that I am a true auto enthusiast. That's why I bought the audi. Its something new and I want to see what the car is all about. The reason why I like e90post is because I thought that it was filled with true car people. However, the second that anyone disagrees with BMW they must be looser.

I am 29 years old and I work my butt off to own the cars that I have. On the road I often get more do***bag looks in my BMW then in my 911. I used to think that it was a mixture of my age and the way I drive. However after seeing this webpage from the other side I'm starting to realize that it may not be me. As mentioned earlier in this thread there are to many spiky haired ed hardy wearing 20 year olds driving these cars who think they are status symbols. I drive the cars that I drive because I love being behind the wheel. A day on a mountain road in a good car with three pedals is as good as it gets. I think there are quite a few e90 members who share my love for driving and all things cars, but the bad eggs are really giving BMWs a bad name

[MediaArtist]

This thread really brought out the kids.

[Top_Gear_Fan]

Can't we all just get along?

I have both a 2008 BMW 335i and an 2010 Audi A4 in my garage. If my cars fought each other the way the members here fought, my garage would be on fire by now.

[335BBS]

Not sure what cars you people were driving. There is no comparison between the S4 and 335 xi. The 335 xi is like an all wheel drive truck by comparison. It is higher, no sport suspension and rides on 18" wheels even with the M option. The 335 and S4 are more similar performance wise. SF Loft said Audi does a better job of integrating CF and aluminum...those 2 little pieces are not real CF. I put CF on my dash, center console, shift knob and brake lever in my e92...thats real cf. Ive had 5 Audis and loved them all, latest being B7 S4. I drove the new one and it is a rocket but to me it has lost its edge..that V8 rumble is amazing. My new e92 is a nice change.

[Nikolas]

Originally Posted by cstavaru

Have you noticed that I used the standard numbers for both 335i and S4 ? Would you mind using the over-inflated numbers for 335i too and do the math again ?



Don't you find it comical how the Audi "genuine enthusiasts", while actively participating in this thread call the BMW guys "fanbois"

In my opinion, no one that has replied in this thread is better than anyone else that has replied as far as fanboism goes. I would just like everyone to admit they are some brand's fans and quit displaying this hypocrisy of "some are fanbois but I am not" while in fact it may be the other way around.

So what's your point? The Audi is faster regardless of the numbers. If the higher HP/LB number is important go for BMW.............yeehaw!

I drive a BMW and the BMW fanboys are in this thread and painfully represented.

[Willizm]

Ouch, fanbois running wild here. For what it's worth I chose getting the 335xi over the S4 as it's easier to remove a piggyback and wipe codes than to switch out pully's. Stock for Stock, sure the S4 may be better in some categories, but then again, I don't play stock .

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Willizm

Ouch, fanbois running wild here. For what it's worth I chose getting the 335xi over the S4 as it's easier to remove a piggyback and wipe codes than to switch out pully's. Stock for Stock, sure the S4 may be better in some categories, but then again, I don't play stock .

Are you talking about stop light racer boy stomping? That's about the only place a 335i will do well performance wise.

On a track, modded or not, the 335i will get iced pretty easily. It's because the car doesn't have adequate cooling. I've seen one modded Vishnu E92 track, and it did horrible times, mostly because the temps were sky high for the guy's car.