[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

You say Merc will be legal when they haven't even appeared in campaign armour yet so I'll just take what you say with a pinch of salt for now

Because it will not race (regardless of what it looks like on race 1) if it is not legal, simple as that.

To me it is just making excuses for if mercedes annihilates the field again. I wonder what your excuse will be if the order is: ferrari, mercedes, redbull, and max wins 0 races this season.

[Steeler]

Originally Posted by F87source

Because it will not race (regardless of what it looks like on race 1) if it is not legal, simple as that.

To me it is just making excuses for if mercedes annihilates the field again. I wonder what your excuse will be if the order is: ferrari, mercedes, redbull, and max wins 0 races this season.

ooh, ooh, I know. Everyone else but RB is cheating, Max and Karen are gods. Masi was the best ever RD, bar none....yada,yada...how'd I do?

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

Because it will not race (regardless of what it looks like on race 1) if it is not legal, simple as that.

To me it is just making excuses for if mercedes annihilates the field again. I wonder what your excuse will be if the order is: ferrari, mercedes, redbull, and max wins 0 races this season.

How are they going to cool the PU with the pencil thin body, probably replace the PU's every two races..

[irunalot]

How are they going to cool it? Like they didn't think of that already? They won the constructors championship for 8 straight years due to bleeding edge engineering and will continue to apply the same methodology. Why is it when people get out engineered they think someone is cheating? F87 clearly posted a video from an ex-f1 engineer describing how the cooling works.

[irunalot]

More innovation but lets see how much of this hold true and if it works. How is it cooled you ask, by an new innovative cooling system they developed. Now lets see how much of this leak is true.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by irunalot

More innovation but lets see how much of this hold true and if it works. How is it cooled you ask, by an new innovative cooling system they developed. Now lets see how much of this leak is true.

If true here we go again. Another bunch of FREE WDCs for scHAM.

[irunalot]

Its up to the other teams to out engineer each other within the rules and budget. Its the losers fault, not the winners fault. If true the engineering behind this will be amazing, and imagine what it will do for road car cooling for both ICE and full electric as cooling and the bulk of cooling systems have always been a packaging challenge.

All rumors of course until we see if on track...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by irunalot

How are they going to cool it? Like they didn't think of that already? They won the constructors championship for 8 straight years due to bleeding edge engineering and will continue to apply the same methodology. Why is it when people get out engineered they think someone is cheating? F87 clearly posted a video from an ex-f1 engineer describing how the cooling works.

I never mentioned 'cheating', you did. I'm just adding up possibilities of what is possible and what is unlikely within the cramped chassis for downforce, hardware and cooling. So far it doesn't add up to me to what's been shown.

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I never mentioned 'cheating', you did. I'm just adding up possibilities of what is possible and what is unlikely within the cramped chassis for downforce, hardware and cooling. So far it doesn't add up to me to what's been shown.

Wasn't talking about you, so apologizes if it seemed as if I was. Just seems that is the vibe here when one team namely Mercedes out engineers another team.

From what I have read they have developed a chemical cooling system (CCS) that greatly reduces the need for radiator size, which answers the question as to how they can do this while still properly cooling the engine, tranny, hybrid systems and electronics. If they have actually pulled this off its pretty amazing technology.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The protests are waiting for a possible illegal Merc chassis, is there a sinister new reason why these two new bods were brought in.

Rumours are saying the W13 has a flexible floor ...

But I never heard that before

And the Merc side-pods will look like the RB18 Star Wars side-pods .


Anyway , we'll see that tomorrow soon enough , when the real party begins ...

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Masi made decisions with so many outside factors and other interests involved in the decision making..
You say Merc will be legal when they haven't even appeared in campaign armour yet so I'll just take what you say with a pinch of salt for now

Horner said today : Masi is been bullied away by HAM and Wolff .

Currently Masi struggles with a deep depression...

Wolff today : The Silverstone incident ?
We don't regret anything about it ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Horner said today : Masi is been bullied away by HAM and Wolff .

Currently Masi struggles with a deep depression...

Wolff today : The Silverstone incident ?
We don't regret anything about it ...

Of course the pos would say that about Copse and the celebrations.

[MontyB1]

If and I say if Merc have created an entirely new concept they will have gone to the FIA as part of its development in the same way they did DAS and everything else. Then when or if it's protested and if it is they can then lean on the fact or be comfortable it won't be declared illegal.

All teams do this with new concepts that push the rules which is why everyone is so sensitive about FIA employees moving into a team with so much insider knowledge. Its happened once and is why the teams required more safeguards on it not happening again without large periods of garden leave etc.

[Foghorn]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Of course the pos would say that about Copse and the celebrations.

Always worth remembering VER should have backed out of that one.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Foghorn

Always worth remembering VER should have backed out of that one.

At that speed you can't just back out, you are committed to taking that line and you can't stay on the outside re: Leclerc going off to avoid red misted HAM.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Of course the pos would say that about Copse and the celebrations.

And now I just read that the W13 will come without side-pods and a chemical fluid cooling system !
That's why the W13 will be lighter than the other cars ,something like - 7KG.

Currently ...There's no end in sight regarding the controversy ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

And now I just read that the W13 will come without side-pods and a chemical fluid cooling system !
That's why the W13 will be lighter than the other cars ,something like - 7KG.

Currently ...There's no end in sight regarding the controversy ...

No side pods, and chemical cooling system meaning no rads maybe but they must meet minimum weight scale which has been increased from previous..

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

At that speed you can't just back out, you are committed to taking that line and you can't stay on the outside re: Leclerc going off to avoid red misted HAM.

No way that HAM could make it with 185 + mph (300 km/h) on the inside of the Copse turn ..
MAX had the perfect racing line , to cut from the outside to the inside . That's actually the only way to make it with this speed in Copse ...

HAM was only there on the inside to ram MAX off-track . That was HAM's intention on the inside .
On the other hand : HAM actually didn't made it in Copse , because he found himself completely off-track (+/- 20 meters) after his murder attemp .

HAM knew very well if MAX would keep his lead coming out of Copse , then MAX would drive him out of sight ...
For HAM was it ...Make it or break it !

Afterwards HAM said : •I'll do it again !
IMO, When I say : I'll do it again , then I mean it was the intention to do it !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

No way that HAM could make it with 185 + mph (300 km/h) on the inside of the Copse turn ..
MAX had the perfect racing line , to cut from the outside to the inside . That's actually the only way to make it with this speed in Copse ...

HAM was only there on the inside to ram MAX off-track . That was HAM's intention on the inside .
On the other hand : HAM actually didn't made it in Copse , because he found himself completely off-track (+/- 20 meters) after his murder attemp .

HAM knew very well if MAX would keep his lead coming out of Copse , then MAX would drive him out of sight ...
For HAM was it ...Make it or break it !

Afterwards HAM said : •I'll do it again !
IMO, When I say : I'll do it again , then I mean it was the intention to do it !

Of course he would knowing it would be disguised as a racing incident with a paltry penalty, just shrugs his shoulders. Max is dealing with a maniac.

[irunalot]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

If and I say if Merc have created an entirely new concept they will have gone to the FIA as part of its development in the same way they did DAS and everything else. Then when or if it's protested and if it is they can then lean on the fact or be comfortable it won't be declared illegal.

All teams do this with new concepts that push the rules which is why everyone is so sensitive about FIA employees moving into a team with so much insider knowledge. Its happened once and is why the teams required more safeguards on it not happening again without large periods of garden leave etc.

Good point and the article stated that they went to the FIA many months ago for clarification and were given the green light. Tomorrow should be interesting.

[irunalot]

WOW KMAg is back at Haas! Just got the alert trying to find the source.

Its on the F1 phone app but not the website just yet

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Of course he would knowing it would be disguised as a racing incident with a paltry penalty, just shrugs his shoulders. Max is dealing with a maniac.

MAX said : It's good to be in his head , when HAM said yesterday that MAX is a dirty aggressive bullie .

MAX don't cares about the Fashion maniac ...

This season the dogfight will be even worse !