[24CBX4M40i]

Originally Posted by Chihuahua

TDS.

It's a permanent mental disorder unfortunately..watch how fast the D's like Newsome will get elected again..it is the definition of insanity

[Chihuahua]

Originally Posted by 24CBX4M40i

It's a permanent mental disorder unfortunately..watch how fast the D's like Newsome will get elected again..it is the definition of insanity

"It's me, hi, I'm the problem it's me."

-T Swift

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

Not if you look into what the felonies "were" vs what Hunter did. But some people will hate trump no matter what the facts are, so it doesn't really matter.

IMO, trying to peddle access to the US Government leadership is way worse than any sort of accounting irregularities or NDA payments.

The pot calling the kettle black?

[440i6MT]

Originally Posted by 24CBX4M40i

Agree, he killed a family of Hatians so...maybe the jury was like fuck it..give him the minimum who knows...he had a dream team of lawyers though

I wonder what the moral equivalency argument is comparing a family of Haitians to an entitled kid from a rich family.
Many different ways to approach this topic.

[Dozer324]

Originally Posted by I800C0LLECT

The issue here is that as a society we don't take driving seriously. How do I know?... I've watched several people run red lights this week alone. They weren't 16. As a whole we take driving for granted.

Also, we don't design our cities for pedestrian traffic or alternate means of transportation. You aren't allowed to decide against owning a vehicle without punishing yourself with miles and miles of biking or walking unless you're lucky enough to have a decent bus route available. Try to get somewhere without the stuff if an interstate... Is really difficult in majority of the USA.

The roads are too complex and I've never heard of somebody failing an actual driving test... Yet everybody drives sub par. Complex design and poor driving is an awful mix.

Harsh penalties for a death is too late. We need to demand better drivers and not on the backs of a Justice system.

this 100% agree with. the number of red lights i see run on a daily basis is bonkers.

the focus on what car it was is really not the issue. the kid could have killed 6 people in a car accident with any other car as well. imagine speeding around in a car that doesn't have the performance capabilities of an m5. not having the brakes or suspension to keep the car in control could result in the same outcome at a slower speed.

its about understanding how fragile life can be, and how your own actions can have life changing effects on other people. if anyone thinks that if parents stopped giving the keys of their sports cars to their kids, that incidents like this wouldn't happen, you are wrong. M cars are not the only vehicle that you see on the highway doing 80 plus, or weaving through traffic, or running red lights, or doing burnouts and being reckless.

[I800C0LLECT]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

This case has nothing to do with road design or bad drivers. It has to do with irresponsible kids with unlimited budgets and zero responsibility. You can't blame roads for someone deciding to go 150+ on city streets. That's not road design, road complexity, inadequate licensing, or any of the other excuses.

This was flat out, a kid who did not care about consequences, who he hurt, or any of that. He thought daddy's money made him invincible. He was more correct than many of us would like to admit.

Well... That's the point of what I said. We don't take driving seriously... We give everybody a license without real schools and tests. Age would matter too if we thought driving was a serious responsibility. UPS doesn't let anybody drive their trucks and they have no problem telling individuals they're terrible drivers and failing them.

How many times have we joked about not being able to parallel park? Back into a spot?...etc

Our entire driving system is based on a nonchalant attitude. Buying a high price car for a non deserving new driver is a symptom of that.

Quote: This meant that officials were no longer allowed to design roads for idealised drivers who never became distracted or exceeded the speed limit. They had to make roads for real people who made mistakes....

....The pattern that began to emerge revealed that crash victims were not, as many in the road transport sector, assumed – drunk and irresponsible drivers. For the most part, they were people who made small mistakes within a system that had no margin for error.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...g-on-its-roads

I don't know the details of the kid and the accident but I think it's stupid that he had a license. I also believe that if he was only going 45mph instead of 150 that nobody would be outraged that he caused an accident that killed anybody.

It's idiotic that we expect everybody to drive perfect. Better training and better design is what we need. Not more safety features that make the cars bigger, heavier, more expensive than ever and more difficult to drive.

We can't take this stuff seriously after somebody is killed. I told my niece and their parents that she needed to go to driving school... They laughed at me. My son comes back from a ride with her telling me how terrible she was. The joke is that their Tesla Y is just a bumper car now between the wife and teenager.

[BlkGS]

I agree about driver education, I really do. But here's what you're missing. Had the kid been going 45 instead of 150+, he likely wouldn't have crashed, and if he did, it'd be a likely no fatalities incident (assuming the car he hit wasn't jam packed with nobody wearing seatbelts or anything else stupid like that). Had he been going 45, he could have stopped.

It isn't about the car, it's about the speed. Did the car enable the speed? Absolutely. That's why new drivers shouldn't have access to cars like that. I agree it shouldn't be like "I just passed my driver's test let me drive home in the 600hp car dad bought me".

[zvez]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

You can also pardon your scumbag son for crimes that would have landed any normal person in prison years ago. And pardon him for any crimes "that may have been committed" that haven't been prosecuted yet.

The elite and rich in our country life by their own set of rules. It's bullshit all around.

You can also pardon your sons scumbag father in law and then appoint him ambassador to france. Or pardon various scumbags for trying to overturn an election. The orange cretin is good at this. If you want to see a real scumbag look at what kushner did to get convicted. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...r/76677177007/

[zvez]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I grew up in that area.

There are so many rich kids that have parents that don't care and buy them whatever they want because it's easier than dealing with them. When they get in trouble they pay their way out.

If you want to get mad Google Beruch Zegeye. He went to my school and got a sweetheart deal because the DA was an alumni and his dad was super super rich. He was drunk and on drugs and plowed into stopped cars at 145mph in a Cayenne Turbo. They delayed his trial for years and years, he was allowed to graduate HS, and go to college before justice even pretended it came for him. Dad sued the victims for being in his kids way to limit his liability. On top of killing a pizza guy he crippled the guy in the car in front of the pizza guy.

Rich kids almost always avoid justice. If you cause the death of more than 2 people, you should be executed. Gentle justice works just as poorly as the gentle parenting these losers got.

Don't forget ethan couch the affluenza teen he got zero jail time for killing four in his car while under the influence because he was a "victim" of affluenza. On a positive note, karma seems to be following him around. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/us/et...ion/index.html

[mjr24]

Yep the legal system failed again here.

It should all depend on the end result.

You can get drive 150 and not get caught.
You can drive 150 and end up getting caught by a cop and get a ticket or license suspension. You may get caught or you may not….

However, when you actually crash and actually hurt (let alone kill people), the book needs to be thrown at you.

This kid was 17. I’m sure he has seen all the Tik Toks or whatever dumb shit kids watch these days and seen the crashes at 150 or whatever.

He made a conscious choice to do this. His parents absolutely should be liable, too…..no different than parents who give kids access to guns and then they shoot up a school. Then again, we don’t really care about that, either.

I bet if it was this POS CEO who was murdered a few weeks ago who had been killed in this accident, then they’d throw the book at this kid….

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by mjr24

Yep the legal system failed again here.

It should all depend on the end result.

You can get drive 150 and not get caught.
You can drive 150 and end up getting caught by a cop and get a ticket or license suspension. You may get caught or you may not….

However, when you actually crash and actually hurt (let alone kill people), the book needs to be thrown at you.

This kid was 17. I’m sure he has seen all the Tik Toks or whatever dumb shit kids watch these days and seen the crashes at 150 or whatever.

He made a conscious choice to do this. His parents absolutely should be liable, too…..no different than parents who give kids access to guns and then they shoot up a school. Then again, we don’t really care about that, either.

I bet if it was this POS CEO who was murdered a few weeks ago who had been killed in this accident, then they’d throw the book at this kid

100% facts. If he had crashed into a Kardashian or Taylor Swift or the CEO of something, this kid would have been in prison for life or meeting Ol Sparky

[BlkGS]

Originally Posted by zvez

Don't forget ethan couch the affluenza teen he got zero jail time for killing four in his car while under the influence because he was a "victim" of affluenza. On a positive note, karma seems to be following him around. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/us/et...ion/index.html

That's not Karma, that's a loser who has learned that consequences don't apply to him.

[I800C0LLECT]

Originally Posted by BlkGS

I agree about driver education, I really do. But here's what you're missing. Had the kid been going 45 instead of 150+, he likely wouldn't have crashed, and if he did, it'd be a likely no fatalities incident (assuming the car he hit wasn't jam packed with nobody wearing seatbelts or anything else stupid like that). Had he been going 45, he could have stopped.

It isn't about the car, it's about the speed. Did the car enable the speed? Absolutely. That's why new drivers shouldn't have access to cars like that. I agree it shouldn't be like "I just passed my driver's test let me drive home in the 600hp car dad bought me".

I don't think jail time fixes anything. But I do believe him and the parents are the problem

[CoralRed]

Originally Posted by Mason Hatcher

I live in Texas and am a firearms instructor. Carried a gun all of my adult life. I teach the Texas LTC classes.

You don't give an irresponsible teenager uncontrolled access to a firearm. Supervised access yes. My daughter learned to shoot at age 7, at 17 she did not have free access to firearms.

The car is no different. It is not wise to put an M5 into the hands of a 17 year old male. That said, we don't know how he became to be driving it.

Howdy, neighbor!

[allBAY]

A 17yr old should not be driving an M5, regardless of year. Who's passing a rev limited bill? Civic that can max out at 75mph

[Tyga11]

If you kill 6 people you should get the death penalty. Unfortunately the victims were Haitian and likely were poor which is why he got that sentence. If he killed white people he would have gotten 20+, no doubt in my mind.

And before anyone says anything, I'm a die hard conservative but I have 0 tolerance for drinking and driving.

[24CBX4M40i]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

If you kill 6 people you should get the death penalty. Unfortunately the victims were Haitian and likely were poor which is why he got that sentence. If he killed white people he would have gotten 20+, no doubt in my mind.

And before anyone says anything, I'm a die hard conservative but I have 0 tolerance for drinking and driving.

Look up another local crash..John Goodman...billionaire trust funder , drunk, racing in his new Bently to Wendy's for a frosty before midnight. Hit a kid that just graduated with a Civil Engineering degree...got 16 yrs.

[NickyF25]

Originally Posted by I800C0LLECT

I don't think jail time fixes anything. But I do believe him and the parents are the problem

Jail is accountability plain and simple. People tend to think twice when there are severe consequences for actions. He is the problem as well as his parents are enablers. Hope he enjoys prison…am sure there are people there waiting for him.

[I800C0LLECT]

Originally Posted by NickyF25

Jail is accountability plain and simple. People tend to think twice when there are severe consequences for actions. He is the problem as well as his parents are enablers. Hope he enjoys prison…am sure there are people there waiting for him.

It's much worse. He was trying to make money as an influencer...

https://people.com/tiktoker-who-kill...prison-8772297

Quote: During an investigation, detectives uncovered social media posts made by Galle where he drove as fast as 182 mph. One video was captioned "whoever can guess the speed correctly wins $25 on cash app."

I still stand by my thoughts that we need to make it much more difficult to receive a license. They shouldn't get away with bad driving up until somebody dies in an accident.

Edit: my version of what makes sense is restricted license vs unrestricted. Only good drivers... Starting with age restriction, a tougher test, and good driving History... They get access to high performance vehicles or vehicles that are over a certain size and weight.

Restricted license can only drive those faster vehicles in a closed private course.

Then when deaths happen... Send them to jail

[IDBGOD]

This is a very sad situation. All those lives lost. Family, friends of the deceased…all that pain to so many for such recklessness.

This kid was given a very gracious term and second chance at life. Time will tell what he does with it.

[Efthreeoh]

Money says he offs himself by Feb. 3rd.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by LuisBoston

Not sure I know a father who given power would not pardon their son.

Equating a father pardoning his child to a convicted felon is reaching.

You never met my father. 🤣🤣🤣