[Mac545]

Originally Posted by G35c6MT

Soft close doors improve sound isolation since the seal can be thicker and not require additional force to close the door.

More force….🤔

I had soft close doors on my ‘15 M5, and I never struggled to close them with my own strength- I know that because all my other cars I’ve ever owned (as 99% of car owners will testify, it’s NEVER been an issue) and didn’t make a blind bit of difference to noise. Lol

It’s just a gimmick that people seem to think means luxury….and where luxury gets mentioned…..people pay extra…..🤷🏼*♂️

[PsychDoc]

Originally Posted by OHV_44

Given the cheap, tinny noise the G60 makes when closing the door, a soft closing would definitely be appropriate.

You know I really, really don't understand why someone is complaining so bitterly about a car they're buying when there are so many other excellent options available.

It's really hard to comprehend. And, BTW, I've opened and closed the doors in several G60's and they're not "tinny" at all.

[OHV_44]

Sorry.
Even if we are all fanboys and wear white-blue glasses, we should not run away from the truth.

[G35c6MT]

Originally Posted by Mac545

More force….🤔

I had soft close doors on my ‘15 M5, and I never struggled to close them with my own strength- I know that because all my other cars I’ve ever owned (as 99% of car owners will testify, it’s NEVER been an issue) and didn’t make a blind bit of difference to noise. Lol

It’s just a gimmick that people seem to think means luxury….and where luxury gets mentioned…..people pay extra…..🤷🏼*♂️

Well obviously yes, it means luxury. So does auto opening and closing doors. If you didn’t want luxury why are you here?

[PsychDoc]

Originally Posted by OHV_44

Sorry.
Even if we are all fanboys and wear white-blue glasses, we should not run away from the truth.

It seems the definition of "truth" here is quite subjective.

I'd still like to know why you decided to purchase a G60 instead of a W214 E-Class, an A6 or a Genesis G80. Perhaps your criticisms of those cars were even more extensive.

But I'd really like to better understand your reasoning for purchasing the G60 in view of your relentless criticisms.

Seems kind of masochistic.

[OHV_44]

I've been driving a BMW for 33 years now and, purely subjectively, there was no alternative for me.
So who, if not me, can make criticisms.

I hope Munich is reading this too. At least that's what they do in the German forum.

[PsychDoc]

Originally Posted by OHV_44

I've been driving a BMW for 33 years now and, purely subjectively, there was no alternative for me.
So who, if not me, can make criticisms.

I hope Munich is reading this too. At least that's what they do in the German forum.

You are aware of Audi and M-B. You could easily have purchased one of those. Yet you didn't. There's no law that I'm aware of forcing you to keep buying vehicles you find are so lacking in quality.

So I'll ask again, why do you continue to purchase a vehicle that you clearly don't like and then spend weeks or months coming on a forum like this to point out what you believe to be its endless faults?

[COBodom]

Originally Posted by PsychDoc

OK, let's take a look at what the G60 has which is either standard or available that was either unavailable or an expensive option on the G30.

Remote parking - standard
Remote start - standard
Ventilated seats - available for G60
Power tailgate - standard
Fully autonomous driving - available
Apple car play and Android auto - standard
Interior camera - available
Ability to program seat warmer/heated steering wheel based on outside temperature - standard
Digital key - standard
B58 engine with 40 more hp and 3mpg better mileage than the B58 in the G30.

I'm sure I'm forgetting something but these are significant areas of improvement vs things like no felt in storage bins, etc.

The only options, from your list, that G30 platform did not offer during its entire lifecycle span (both pre\post LCI) are, interior camera and obviously the revised engine. Options on G30 did come and go during its reign but they were available at some point or the other. Now, were these G30 options "expensive options" as opposed to, as you put it, G60 "available" options? LOL...sure. Cool semantics though. Maybe G60 options are also "expensive options" not just "available" options ?

Side note, no such thing as "Fully autonomous driving" in G60. Its a Highway Assistant level 2 autonomous driving which basically means you can now drive up to 85mph without touching the wheel (plus the "touchless" lane changing), whereas G30 would allow you to do exactly the same (via eye monitoring) but up to 40mph and changing lanes required tapping the blinker stock once. In both cars conditions have to be met. I have this on my car and it works great, but I am looking forward to the 85mph increased limit.

Bottom line, if today one was to produce a list of options ever available on G30 as opposed to newly released G60, that new platform pales in comparison and its not over "felt in storage bins". It would also be a silly argument as the platform is new and options come and go. Hopefully many of them will re-appear in the future. The actual usefulness of these features is besides the point on a luxury ride, to some they matter and to others they do not, but a luxury brand should offer a choice of luxury features.

[PsychDoc]

My point was simply that the criticisms of the G60 were and are nit picks. There's not a vehicle made that doesn't have some issues that can't be pointed to in a critical way. Overall the G60 is a very fine vehicle fully deserving of the BMW brand and legacy. Are there some minor, frankly inconsequential things that could be criticized? Sure. I've seen myriad criticisms of the M-B W214 and I'm sure people could find faults with Porsches and other fine brands. But it gets more than a little tiring to read these criticisms from people who are ponying up $70k - $100k on the exact vehicle they're whining about when they have myriad other choices and still opted for the vehicle they're beating their breast about.

[G35c6MT]

Originally Posted by PsychDoc

My point was simply that the criticisms of the G60 were and are nit picks. There's not a vehicle made that doesn't have some issues that can't be pointed to in a critical way. Overall the G60 is a very fine vehicle fully deserving of the BMW brand and legacy. Are there some minor, frankly inconsequential things that could be criticized? Sure. I've seen myriad criticisms of the M-B W214 and I'm sure people could find faults with Porsches and other fine brands. But it gets more than a little tiring to read these criticisms from people who are ponying up $70k - $100k on the exact vehicle they're whining about when they have myriad other choices and still opted for the vehicle they're beating their breast about.

Wouldn’t you expect people to nitpick more because they just spent ~$100K. I sure would, and I do, especially because of the history with the G30.

I still like my car and wouldn’t pick a VW-Audi or MB over it for many reasons. I don’t like the styling of Audis and their historic fwd bias, and really hate MB’s UX. Had the CT5-V Blackwing had a better interior I probably would’ve bought it over the i5 M60.

I’m perfectly fine nitpicking. Maybe the LCI will fix these nits due to feedback, maybe it’ll introduce new ones. I’ll likely keep my pattern going.

[COBodom]

Originally Posted by PsychDoc

My point was simply that the criticisms of the G60 were and are nit picks. There's not a vehicle made that doesn't have some issues that can't be pointed to in a critical way. Overall the G60 is a very fine vehicle fully deserving of the BMW brand and legacy. Are there some minor, frankly inconsequential things that could be criticized? Sure. I've seen myriad criticisms of the M-B W214 and I'm sure people could find faults with Porsches and other fine brands. But it gets more than a little tiring to read these criticisms from people who are ponying up $70k - $100k on the exact vehicle they're whining about when they have myriad other choices and still opted for the vehicle they're beating their breast about.

Whatever your point may be, you're coming across to me as going balls-to-the-wall, blindly pro G60.

You known what gets tiring? Your two toddler-esque themes; repeatedly asking people why they went with G60 over "so many other excellent options", sarcastically mentioning masochism AND your reliance on your very limited and incorrect G30 knowledge in an attempt to make your case stronger.

Build quality aside, lets just say that is a very subjective topic, but its very easy to find out what options\standard features G30 had, yet you come up with a very inaccurate list which makes no sense other than again preach the G60. Do your homework next time.

People have their reasons why they go with G60, and frankly if you want a mid-size German sedan, G60 is currently still the best option in US. Benz is nowhere to be found and A6 is a platform from an era long gone.

Nobody here is saying G60 is not a fine vehicle, on the contrary even those who point out perceived deficiencies either already have the G60 or are soon to be owners (myself). They dont drink their kool-aid though. Instead, they naturally draw comparisons against the G30, cause guess what? They actually have a point of reference having owned a G30 before. They give credit where credit is due and provide honest opinion when otherwise.

[PsychDoc]

Not a fan-boy at all. I do own a G30 and before that an F10. I've pointed out a couple of areas in which I find the G60 to be wanting. And no, I don't make a career out of drilling down into every feature the G30 may have had even if the take rate was miniscule. And I think my observation about people spending a considerable sum of money on something and then spending hours finding perceived inadequacies about that something is absurd. It's like marrying a woman and then making an endless list of why she's not the woman for you. Yeah, that's masochistic in my book. And your comment about the W214 not being anywhere to be found is inaccurate as production has started and buyers are already getting production dates of February and March, so it's clearly an option at this point though several months behind the G60.

I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours. What do you say we leave it at that.

[COBodom]

Originally Posted by PsychDoc

Not a fan-boy at all. I do own a G30 and before that an F10. I've pointed out a couple of areas in which I find the G60 to be wanting. And no, I don't make a career out of drilling down into every feature the G30 may have had even if the take rate was miniscule. And I think my observation about people spending a considerable sum of money on something and then spending hours finding perceived inadequacies about that something is absurd. It's like marrying a woman and then making an endless list of why she's not the woman for you. Yeah, that's masochistic in my book. And your comment about the W214 not being anywhere to be found is inaccurate as production has started and buyers are already getting production dates of February and March, so it's clearly an option at this point though several months behind the G60.

I'm entitled to my opinion and you're entitled to yours. What do you say we leave it at that.

Obviously W214 is in production. It has been for many months now. Folks in Europe were able to place orders back in September. The car is at the dealers there available for test drives.

I will state this again for you, third time around now, W214 is nowhere to be found in US. Car is not at the dealers, configurator is not online and if you go to a dealer they may take the order but they are still vague on US allocations. You may get it Q1 or maybe Q2 without ever trying the car first. How I know this? Cause I talked to dealers before I ordered G60. I also read the same Benz forums you do. Where exactly am I inaccurate then (rhetorical)? Are you making a point the car is gonna get here sometime next year? Yeah, it will, but that's not the premise of the argument so don't pivot.

Sure, let's now get on a high horse and preach entitlement to opinions. Again, cool holier than thou pivot when glaringly erroneous statements are called out (your options list). Own it and we can be best buddies for life !

In the meantime, backpedaling and deflection is comical with you and this is where I stop entertaining.

Merry Christmas!

[Mac545]

Originally Posted by G35c6MT

Well obviously yes, it means luxury. So does auto opening and closing doors. If you didn’t want luxury why are you here?

Well….maybe you should answer your own question….as there’s no option for auto doors on the G60….why are YOU here….? (As you base luxury on that)

plus…. What gives you the right to question why I’m here…?

I’ll be here regardless of your stupid questions…..jog on…

[PsychDoc]

Originally Posted by COBodom

Obviously W214 is in production. It has been for many months now. Folks in Europe were able to place orders back in September. The car is at the dealers there available for test drives.

I will state this again for you, third time around now, W214 is nowhere to be found in US. Car is not at the dealers, configurator is not online and if you go to a dealer they may take the order but they are still vague on US allocations. You may get it Q1 or maybe Q2 without ever trying the car first. How I know this? Cause I talked to dealers before I ordered G60. I also read the same Benz forums you do. Where exactly am I inaccurate then (rhetorical)? Are you making a point the car is gonna get here sometime next year? Yeah, it will, but that's not the premise of the argument so don't pivot.

Sure, let's now get on a high horse and preach entitlement to opinions. Again, cool holier than thou pivot when glaringly erroneous statements are called out (your options list). Own it and we can be best buddies for life !

In the meantime, backpedaling and deflection is comical with you and this is where I stop entertaining.

Merry Christmas!

No backpeddaling or deflection at all. And you're completely losing the narrative here which, to remind you, is endless whining about a car that pretty much everyone here has freely agreed to buy after what I would assume to be an evaluation of other options. And the criticisms are regarding really inconsequential issues. And yes, you're entitled to your opinion just as I am to mine.

What's comical is you referring to anyone being "holier than thou." Absolutely hillarious.

Trust me, I have no interest in being your "best buddy."

[Trevor G]

I do have 1 issue that I will look into an after market fix for. The veganza wrapped dash board only comes with leather seat selection. Unique Whips out in Long Island can fix that

[chabster]

Originally Posted by OHV_44

I hope Munich is reading this too. At least that's what they do in the German forum.

Munich listens to chinese people now, not germans.

[Scrapula]

There are options. I was very close to purchasing the Lucid Air Touring over the G60. I love the mid century modern vibe of the interior. It was comfortable and it had a customizable dash. It had better range and I believe the engine is better overall.

What it didn’t have - Heads up display, an interaction bar or the cool Hans Zimmer sounds. I think it might have been just a little too sterile. I want a fun car. Leather dash is not important to me.

[Trevor G]

Not too concerned about the dash either. The i5 I test drove did not have it either and I did not notice until i saw a post about it.

[bmwterp]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

There are options. I was very close to purchasing the Lucid Air Touring over the G60. I love the mid century modern vibe of the interior. It was comfortable and it had a customizable dash. It had better range and I believe the engine is better overall.

What it didn’t have - Heads up display, an interaction bar or the cool Hans Zimmer sounds. I think it might have been just a little too sterile. I want a fun car. Leather dash is not important to me.

Plus, their driver assist is not up to par yet. It is a great car though...

Personally, I loved all the options. I think all the manufacturers are doing an excellent job in the luxury EV space...Even Tesla! Just depends upon what you are looking for. The main thing left is to see how the charging goes. But, if Tesla opens up their full network and/or the charging infrastructure gets "fixed", the experience will be much better.

[M3CDan]

I would add that I traded into my '24 i5 M60 from a '23 i4 M50, and I find that the i5 is a much more drivable car, more substantial ride, just feels more like a BMW to me than the i4 did. The i4 was a great car, don't get me wrong, but I don't miss it. Maybe it was a little easier to look at, but I find that i5 just better all around. I know it is personal preference, and I get that many would disagree, but, to me, if you are going to drive an all-electric sedan, this new 5 series is pretty damn good.

[GOLFFRR]

doesn't seem like he is too excited about the car lol.

Have not seen to many negative reviews on these like this one. I think the vast majority are digging it IMO