[vsix]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

That's more of a naked than a Cafe'. Cafe' racers are light and traditionally don't have a lot of power. Tanks are longer and they aren't too comfortable for long distances. Just saying. The term is used more loosely these days. I also have a Monster 1200s and I consider it a naked.

To each their own!
Iam calling it cafè racer.
I have to admit it is an "special" name for it but you know...
Special names for special bikes.
She's my bae...

[Buddy628]

Get the bike you really want, then take a riding class BMW offers both on and off road courses at the Performance center in SC well worth the money and great instructors. I started on a Ninja 750, then BMW K1200, now GS 1200. Took BMW's 2day off road riding course and had a blast

[c1pher]

Definitely take classes. If you think it's like riding a bicycle, you will die lol.

[1MOREMOD]

It is like riding a motorcycle because it is one

[Ickdeep]

Originally Posted by MGM135is

Definitely take classes. If you think it's like riding a bicycle, you will die lol.

We have to take the course here in WA in order to get your endorsement. I ended up picking up a 08 GSXR600 with 6k miles. I'll have it by Monday and hopefully post some pics.

[Fender150]

congratulations, I had a long hiatus before going back to riding so i took a refresher course, and started back on a low rider, thats what i usually recommend myself, super easy to have both feet planted on the ground for whatever height rider. That was a yamaha stryker or any equivalent

[Buddy628]

Good choice be safe and practice also pickup a good riding jacket and pants BMW makes really good riding gear its expensive as hell but worth it I've had mine for 15 yrs.

[obert]

Congrats

I had a 06 and now I have a 2013 gsxr 600

[Ickdeep]

Originally Posted by Buddy628

Good choice be safe and practice also pickup a good riding jacket and pants BMW makes really good riding gear its expensive as hell but worth it I've had mine for 15 yrs.

Thanks, I'll look into them. As long as they don't have a big BMW decal I should be good riding a Suzuki

Originally Posted by obert

Congrats

I had a 06 and now I have a 2013 gsxr 600

Nice nice, maybe we'll see each other this summer riding.

[obert]

Where did you buy from?

[Digital.James]

First bike? One you wont mind dropping or crashing. I would recommend a used Monster 696 or 796.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by Ickdeep

We have to take the course here in WA in order to get your endorsement. I ended up picking up a 08 GSXR600 with 6k miles. I'll have it by Monday and hopefully post some pics.

It's probably a MSF BRC class or equivalent. While I'm all for the BRC class and even the ERC which very few take, I hope the instructors teach braking properly. My buddy got into his first crash on an SV650. He called me just outside my development. I went out to see what happened. I saw the black tire mark on the asphalt running up to where his bike had crashed and immediately asked, "You used your rear brake didn't you?" He said yes and how did I know. I pointed to the skid mark on the road and said you locked up your rear end. He then told me the MSF instructors in his BRC class told him to use a lot of rear brake.

Most of the bike's braking happens from the front brake. More so with sport bikes where "stoppies" are very easy to do. Something I learned which the MSF class doesn't discuss (I guess for good reason) is the number of fingers needed to modulate the front brake on sport bikes. I was on a ride with someone who was very new to riding and had a 600. I was noticing he was having a hard time controlling the bike when applying the brakes coming to a stop. He was using all 4 fingers to actuate the front brake. I had to tell him he didn't need that many and 2 fingers was sufficient and better to modulate the brake without the jerkiness of 4.

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by Digital.James

First bike? One you wont mind dropping or crashing. I would recommend a used Monster 696 or 796.

Lol. Sure...Italian bikes and repair costs is a brilliant suggestion.

[Digital.James]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

Lol. Sure...Italian bikes and repair costs is a brilliant suggestion.

you obviously dont know a lot about bikes.... you can have a used monster 696 or 796 for under 4k if you shop around. why pay 3k for a ninja 250 you wont have fun on unless you're 12. maintenance on new ducatis aren't any different then japanese bikes. go back to school and study hard.

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by Digital.James

you obviously dont know a lot about bikes.... you can have a used monster 696 or 796 for under 4k if you shop around. why pay 3k for a ninja 250 you wont have fun on unless you're 12. maintenance on new ducatis aren't any different then japanese bikes. go back to school and study hard.

You're right, I don't. I only owned an 848...currently have a 1198, Monster 1200s and 1200GS Adventure and been on bikes since the single digits. I've owned over 29 bikes in my lifetime thus far. Been fixing bikes since my Rick Johnson/ Jeff Ward motorcross days. Not only that, I've had the privilege of visiting the Ducati factory in Bologna, Italy where i walked through the factory and saw the bikes built including the museum. Keep going, buddy. Italian bikes can be a pain as accessing many areas requires special tools, parts that come at a premium, and tight spots to work in.


Not saying any of the above gives me an authority over your opinion but I think my opinion matters a bit, too.

[Digital.James]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

You're right, I don't. I only owned an 848...currently have a 1198, Monster 1200s and 1200GS Adventure and been on bikes since the single digits. I've owned over 29 bikes in my lifetime thus far. Been fixing bikes since my Rick Johnson/ Jeff Ward motorcross days. Not only that, I've had the privilege of visiting the Ducati factory in Bologna, Italy where i walked through the factory and saw the bikes built including the museum. Keep going, buddy. Italian bikes can be a pain as accessing many areas requires special tools, parts that come at a premium, and tight spots to work in.


Not saying any of the above gives me an authority over your opinion but I think my opinion matters a bit, too.

It doesn't give you authority at all, especially when you're incorrect. Throwing out BS ambiguous statements like 'it's Italian' shows how anti-authoritative you are on the topic. Any fool with money can buy a motorcycle... key word in that statement being fool. I'd like to see how your statement that a monster is difficult to work on rings true. Your experience with sport bikes and adventure touring bikes doesn't make you fit to make any statements, but since you are I'll educate you. ALL modern sport bikes are difficult to work on. As they become more compact and mass centralized, they become more complicated in lay outs. Ducatis are no exceptions. Take a new R1 a part and see how 'specialized' they are. Good luck doing any work on one unless you're a Yamaha certified mechanic. Air cooled monsters are the easiest to service because, well they are naked air cooled bikes. Only a fool makes generalizations and it clearly shows how limited in knowledge you are. A 1200 monster uses Ducati's older sport bike designs which are clearly more complicated dude to their mass centralization efforts.

[c1pher]

I also recommended a 696 or 796 earlier in the thread. You can get them for affordable prices, they are wonderful motorcycles and look awesome too. My daughter is considering riding and that's what I sad she should get.

[Digital.James]

Sorry to the OP for derailing this thread.

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by Digital.James

It doesn't give you authority at all, especially when you're incorrect. Throwing out BS ambiguous statements like 'it's Italian' shows how anti-authoritative you are on the topic. Any fool with money can buy a motorcycle... key word in that statement being fool. I'd like to see how your statement that a monster is difficult to work on rings true. Your experience with sport bikes and adventure touring bikes doesn't make you fit to make any statements, but since you are I'll educate you. ALL modern sport bikes are difficult to work on. As they become more compact and mass centralized, they become more complicated in lay outs. Ducatis are no exceptions. Take a new R1 a part and see how 'specialized' they are. Good luck doing any work on one unless you're a Yamaha certified mechanic. Air cooled monsters are the easiest to service because, well they are naked air cooled bikes. Only a fool makes generalizations and it clearly shows how limited in knowledge you are. A 1200 monster uses Ducati's older sport bike designs which are clearly more complicated dude to their mass centralization efforts.

You sound jealous and intimidated by my proof I'm on another level of experience than you, fool! Clearly your feelings easily got hurt which explains your pointless, long-winded response. I tried to play nice. Now I won't. Your bs isn't gospel. Recommending an Italian bike, which is by nature, more quirky and more expensive to maintain is about the dumbest chit I've heard yet in this thread. The riding position. Cost of parts and lack of dealer network/support strengthens my point. Compare labor rates, genius! The kid needs an inexpensive bike that takes little effort to maintain and ride. Ducatis ARENT it! try changing a battery on a '14 Monster. Even master mechanics complain about the tolerances and complexity of doing basic work on Ducs. My experience with bikes over the span of my life doesn't make me fit to comment yet your dumb, unfounded recommendations do? Lmfao we can all agree, on a car forum that some cars may be more complex and expensive to work on, no? That theme is the same for bikes. Log off and read a book, idiot. Better yet, get some bikes first. You ever do work on a V-twin? Nope. I've been a member to several Duc forums and we can't all be wrong, and one blowhard such as yourself right.

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by Digital.James

Sorry to the OP for derailing this thread.

Fake humble is corny. Don't get your feelings hurt so easily.

[obert]

Yes another thread that turned into my penis is bigger than yours.

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by obert

Yes another thread that turned into my penis is bigger than yours.

Hardly but if some character cannot respect the fact that another person has a long history with a specific brand of bikes that his opinion MAY hold some weight, wtf is the purpose of a forum?