[hotrod2448]

That sucks in every aspect. Coming from an Evo this is nothing new to me though. This type of stuff happens just about weekly over there.

People tell the young people on the forum to slow down and be careful, Young people tell the old people to stop profiling not all teens are like that, insurance statistics are discussed, arguing ensues, repeat.

It sucks but, people don't learn until happens to them or someone they are close to. There was a good thread about this on the Evo forum I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: here it is
http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=248770

[UncleWede]

Most of my friends were ascared to get in my car in high school, thought I used jet fuel or something, but it was just my parents' used stock 70 Cougar. Gosh, but I want one to rebuild!!!!

[nightkhan]

i saw this article early this morning, and i wanted to post it up.

but i didn't, because i knew it would lead to another pointless argument between young vs. old drivers.

so, to avoid all this, RIP to the person killed.

my opinion, tougher requirements and tests for drivers licence are needed....for all ages.

[imaznumkay]

not to steal the thread, but...

Originally Posted by STE92VE

Please do not include me in your generalization. In NYS, legal limit is 70% (lets 70% of light thru) which is like not having tint at all. Since I tend not to stray outside the letter of the law, I decided not to tint. I also have affixed my front license plate to the bumper, as per the NYS motor vehicle code.

Yes, some people choose to disregard the laws of their state. Saying that everyone does, is just not accurate.

ok you got me on my "vague" generalization of ppl tinting their cars below the legal limit and whatnot, but its not like im the only one who does it? even my parents tint their cars below 28% level (florida legal limit)
flame away once again

[nimamilani]

maybe their should be a ban on teenagers regarding driving bmw

[LI E90]

Originally Posted by nimamilani

maybe their should be a ban on teenagers regarding driving bmw

more than 3/4 of this board would disapear then..

[shragon]

Teen in custody following fatal crash that killed 88-year-old

Bay City News Service

Article Launched: 06/17/2007 06:03:56 PM PDT

A 16-year-old boy is in police custody tonight following a collision in unincorporated San Mateo County today that killed an elderly man and has left an elderly woman in critical condition, a California Highway Patrol spokesman reported.

The boy, whose identity is not being released, was reportedly driving his 2007 BMW eastbound on Guadalupe Canyon Parkway, just east of Price Street, at around 2 p.m. today when he lost control and crashed head-on into a Pontiac Grand Am, CHP spokesman Shawn Chase said.

An 88-year-old man driving the Grand Am was killed and a woman passenger in her late 70s was taken to San Francisco General Hospital in critical condition, Chase said.

Police arrested the boy on suspicion of vehicular manslaughter after investigators determined he had sped through a turn before losing control of his BMW, Chase said.

The boy was treated for minor injuries at the scene and later taken to San Francisco's Youth Guidance Center, located at 375 Woodside Ave., Chase said.

can't seem to find out what kind of bmw it was.

drive carefully guys!!

[jonerik26]

stupid................

[johnc_22]

Originally Posted by fedinand

I don't see where they said the 16 y.o. was driving a 335 - just a '07 BMW. Could have been something else.

My mistake - my brain is foggy from a sinus infection.

[Robert]

I am having a party tonight to celebrate. Who's coming?

[user1]

Originally Posted by johnc_22

I do feel for the parents, but I also feel that it's irresponsible to put a fast car in the hands of a 16 year old. Forgetting everything else, this kid is going to have the live with the ramifactions of his actions for the rest of his life.

This happened in CA so this is what will happen over the next few years that the papers wont cover. The family of the man that died (his wife if she lives or the children) will sue the parents of the driver since they bought the car and the driver is not an adult (16). In most cases the family will win and the parents insurance will pay out a hefty sum. The parents will pay through the nose for the rest of their lives for insurance and the kid will notice little change after he moves to his own insurance. Being a minor the kid driving will get anywhere from a slap on the wrist to juvenile detention until he is 18, maybe 22. Rarely do these kids get any more. If the kid has any conscience he will be haunted by what he has done his whole life.

The truly unfortunate part of all this is the victims family. No amount of money or minor sentence given to the kid will make up for the family loss. For once I would like to see the parents held criminally responsible for their kids actions. Being civilly responsible for their kids doesnt make parents these days raise their kids any better. If the parents faced jail time for their teenagers poor actions we would see some real parenting. That would probably mean a lot less 16 year olds in high performance cars.

- end rant -

[johnc_22]

Originally Posted by user1

If the kid has any conscience he will be haunted by what he has done his whole life.

If he doesn't then there's something seriously wrong with him, or his parents and the way he was raised.

My guess is parents who can afford to put a 16 year old behind the wheel of a brand new BMW and insure it for him won't be financially impacted enough to even feel it, and the kid will get another car once the punishment phase is over.

[The Cleaner]

The speeder will be impacted for life as he should be. His parents will likely lose hundreds of thousands keeping there kid from being locked up till he is 21. That's to small a price for what the kid did IMO.

The reason 16 year old kids are not very good drivers has nothing to do with age, it has to do with experience. It's like anything else... do it more, you get better. Anyone that has low hours behind the wheel is in general a poor driver in comparison to someone with high hours behind the wheel.

Young driver have been arguing this point since I was growing up in the 80's, but it's not till you are older that you can see the truth behind what I say. Giving hi performance cars to low performance drivers of any age is not wise.

[DCJAX]

Originally Posted by johnc_22

Car manufacturers should build something like a V-chip into their cars, particularly fast ones, so that a parent can lock down the performance on the vehicle to something an inexperienced driver can handle.

Nope, parents just shouldn't be buying their kids sports cars. Give them nice reliable honda civic or something similar. A 16 year old kid does not need (and isn't likely able to handle) a 300hp car. Hell, kids should be so lucky to get something like a civic, that would have been a huge upgrade for me at the age of 16... and I still had to pay for my shit.

[user1]

Originally Posted by The Cleaner

The reason 16 year old kids are not very good drivers has nothing to do with age, it has to do with experience. It's like anything else... do it more, you get better. Anyone that has low hours behind the wheel is in general a poor driver in comparison to someone with high hours behind the wheel.

Very true. There are exceptions to every rule but your statement is correct. The problem is every teenager thinks they are the exception to the rule when in reality very few are great drivers. Thats not to say there arent bad older drivers out there. Some that lack experience and some that just live with their heads in the clouds. As a rule you are right on the money. Insurance rates reflect this as actuaries have the statistics to prove your point.

[user1]

Anyone find what 2007 BMW the kid was driving? Any BMW is high performance but some are more powerful than others.

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by johnc_22

What a nightmare for other people on the road when parents put the keys of a 335i in their 16 year old's hands. :mad:

How do you it was a 335i?

[DCJAX]

Originally Posted by user1

Very true. There are exceptions to every rule but your statement is correct. The problem is every teenager thinks they are the exception to the rule when in reality very few are great drivers. Thats not to say there arent bad older drivers out there. Some that lack experience and some that just live with their heads in the clouds. As a rule you are right on the money. Insurance rates reflect this as actuaries have the statistics to prove your point.

It's not just about general skill. Adults are less likely to do stupid things, weave in traffice, street race, etc.

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by STE92VE

Please do not include me in your generalization. In NYS, legal limit is 70% (lets 70% of light thru) which is like not having tint at all. Since I tend not to stray outside the letter of the law, I decided not to tint. I also have affixed my front license plate to the bumper, as per the NYS motor vehicle code.

Yes, some people choose to disregard the laws of their state. Saying that everyone does, is just not accurate.

+1 I have no tint and my front plate on

[musc]

Originally Posted by Nikki

It depends on what you consider fast. IMO, fast to a teenager is any car that can go 100 mph. When I was 16 I had a car with 160 hp and I still thought it was fast as hell. I crashed it showing off to someone because they said it wasn't fast.

It doesn't matter if your kid is in a BMW, a Civic, a Ford, etc. they will drive fast if they want to.

The best thing you can do for your kid is just put them in something safe.

Although the kid is going to jail, he is alive and unharmed. I may not be able to say that had he been driving another car.

+1

Any car in the hands of a car a reckless teenager is dangerous. Even those little Toyota Echos can hit 95 mph.

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by DCJAX

Nope, parents just shouldn't be buying their kids sports cars. Give them nice reliable honda civic or something similar. A 16 year old kid does not need (and isn't likely able to handle) a 300hp car. Hell, kids should be so lucky to get something like a civic, that would have been a huge upgrade for me at the age of 16... and I still had to pay for my shit.

we dont know what kind of BMW it was. You are all ASSUMING its a 35i please show me where the article said it was a 335i. Stop assuming it was a 335i. None of this matters though because there are 2 innocent victims and a kid who wil get a new car right away from his parents. Two very sad facts.

[ALPINE6SPD]

Originally Posted by catm3

+1

Any car in the hands of a car a reckless teenager is dangerous. Even those little Toyota Echos can hit 95 mph.

yep if someone wants to drive fast they will drive fast in anything regardless of the power.