[chassis]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I have a feeling JLR may push back that 2025 deadline.

JLR Cancels Electric Road Rover, Jaguar J-Pace Likely Dead As Well

Yes, not surprising to me. There are use cases that EVs are simply not able to address today. Changing a brand’s lineup to all-electric excludes that brand from those use cases. It doesn’t make business sense to me.

I’m not making predictions, but it won’t surprise me to see the bold statements from the likes of California or GM get revised, delayed, or similar. The technology is simply not ready for a complete changeover from ICE.

[mkoesel]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I have a feeling JLR may push back that 2025 deadline.

JLR Cancels Electric Road Rover, Jaguar J-Pace Likely Dead As Well

This seems to confirm/restate what was said in the article posted above by IllSic_Design. Basically, Jaguar isn't building any more vehicles on the mixed-use MLA architecture. It's all EMA from here on out. So, to me, this is right inline with the plan to go all electric.

As for Land Rover, the loss of the "Road Rover" isn't surprising. This product was conceived when soft roaders were the thing. Now, everyone wants an off road vehicle again, so they likely realized they already had the line-up they needed (and that this abomination would probably do more harm than good).

Originally Posted by chassis

Yes, not surprising to me. There are use cases that EVs are simply not able to address today. Changing a brand’s lineup to all-electric excludes that brand from those use cases. It doesn’t make business sense to me.

I’m not making predictions, but it won’t surprise me to see the bold statement from the likes of California or GM get revised, delayed, or similar. The technology is simply not ready for a complete changeover from ICE.

I agree that some of these lines in the sand will be moved. It's a negotiation process, and these lines are really just aggressive demands.

However, when it comes to Jaguar, their business was already headed for the toilet, so they might as well go all in. Be it 2025, 2030, 2035, 2040 whatever, it's coming. And it is a big uphill battle to get investors to buy into a complete redux of a legacy vehicle corporation. You have ample manufacturing capacity and at least some semblance of a battery supply chain built up already which is more than some of the new players can say. In the free market, that alone is worth more than the flagging legacy product portfolio right now.

[strohw]

I had a Fpace S for a 3 year lease and I wouldn't ever own a new vehicle from them again. Their service departments near me are terrible. I've received better service from every other car I've leased and the bmw/merc/toyota dealer I take my X3 to is massively better than either of the JLR services departments I mentioned. However, my parents have had nothing but JLR products for years and the dealership they take their stuff to in Florida is top tier.

My biggest issue with Jag in general is that their products are more expensive than their direct competition but you don't get anything more for that money. So in the end they feel overpriced. I still think their SUV and the Ftype in top trims have fantastic exteriors.

[chassis]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

I agree that some of these lines in the sand will be moved. It's a negotiation process, and these lines are really just aggressive demands.

However, when it comes to Jaguar, their business was already headed for the toilet, so they might as well go all in. Be it 2025, 2030, 2035, 2040 whatever, it's coming. And it is a big uphill battle to get investors to buy into a complete redux of a legacy vehicle corporation. You have ample manufacturing capacity and at least some semblance of a battery supply chain built up already which is more than some of the new players can say. In the free market, that alone is worth more than the flagging legacy product portfolio right now.

The investor perspective on Jaguar is interesting. The management of Jaguar would be better stewards of shareholder value in my view if they sold the brand to one of the majors, most likely French or German, who can either finance or share electric technology for Jaguar.

Financing Jaguar's product range makeover to EVs is not something I would invest in. Sell the brand and leverage someone else's investment.

[Red Bread]

They may plan on being all electric by 2025, but I bet Tata pulls the plug on them well before then. Just kill them now.

[tranquility]

Has there ever been a self-sufficient, profitable Brit car co that has its reach somewhat worldwide (so no 'kit car' or extremely small-scale companies)? McLaren was promising but it's in the red supposedly. AM was never really about performance until it suddenly went impressively crazy w recent models but it's still in the red too...and Jag pales in comparison to these 2 better brands. The Brits make some good cars but somehow can't run a successful car biz.

Jag had a great head(re)start w the gorgeous F-Type but utterly failed to capitalize. Also, some signs of poor design/engineering? as how could the trunk from its convertible be so pathetically small? It's embarrassing!

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by JasonDot

Top Gear Source

"The new boss of Jaguar (and Land Rover) Thierry Bolloré has today announced a big, shiny new plan with a really big, shiny new headline announcement: from 2025, Jaguar will only sell electric cars."

Bold move considering the iPace didn't so well, right!? Here is San Diego, Jaguar doesn't have a big footprint, how about in your area?

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Who gives a fuck. Just saying. How does Jag stay in business?

[SickGTR]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Their cousin Land Rover is paying their lifeline.

Good for them I guess.

[chassis]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Jaguar Won't Launch Any New Cars Until 2025

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This is a cash conservation move. Not a good sign for the company.

[Donatello.]

I can't believe a new F-Type is over $100k and also that the R is the only V8 option now.

Guess I have to wait for the market to correct & get a used V8 S after all

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

I can't believe a new F-Type is over $100k and also that the R is the only V8 option now.

Guess I have to wait for the market to correct & get a used V8 S after all

They start at $71k with a V8. There are only V8s now.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

They start at $71k with a V8. There are only V8s now.

I built it on Jag's site. The other 2 options were not V8...

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

I built it on Jag's site. The other 2 options were not V8...

That's all that's there. A 444hp V8 and a 54x hp V8. I just double checked.

[Donatello.]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

That's all that's there. A 444hp V8 and a 54x hp V8. I just double checked.

I guess they updated options. I was only building a vert. Maybe different coupe options?

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by Donatello.

I guess they updated options. I was only building a vert. Maybe different coupe options?

Oh, could very well be. I just looked at the coupes, but I swear I'd heard they'd killed the 4 and the 6 for all of the F Types.

Same thing for convertibles. Base V8 with rwd or awd and the R with awd.