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For some people I think it works. Majority of people just need transportation for commuting. For example, my wife has an SUV that she uses for commuting and to carry the dog and that I occasionally use for home depot runs. She could easily daily drive a Model Y that say gets an average range of 280 miles. She drives to DC in traffic and has charging at work and would have charging at home, so for her needs at least range anxiety is not likely there, and any trips we do over 300 miles we normally fly, or if we had a Tesla, the availability of chargers would ease any worries as superchargers are the golden standard for charging. Luckily we have accessibility to assist with the lifestyle. Some don't, although I know Elon is trying to change that with public superchargers. My wife could easily adopt to the EV lifestyle, she simply doesn't want a Tesla yet (due to non-EV factors like build quality, interior, etc.). For others there needs may not fit an EV, but "a smaller gas tank" to fit with the metaphor may work for some. At first they may be reluctant but of course it really depends on how you use your car and your driving habits as well as daily milage and accessibility to charging. With charging every night or few days there is still a good range for most people who do not drive more than 300 miles a week, and if they do, they can just plug in more often. I think EV's are excellent commuter cars, just not for long distance or fun at the moment in which ICE is still king, but who knows what the future holds. |
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Range anxiety is one thing. This is your point, correct? Let’s assume this is adequately addressed in the future. It will be.
The gas tank shrinks over time. Battery range shrinks over time. That’s how batteries work at present. Who wants to buy a vehicle that delivers a shrinking amount of transportation utility over time? |
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01-20-2021, 12:29 PM | #25 | |
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This is not a factor for lessees, which is constitutes a large percentage of vehicle registrations, especially in premium segments. For those that buy, this is not typically going to be noticeable in the first five years of ownership and possibly longer. Most automakers deliberately limit the useable portion of the battery in order to compensate for cell deterioration over time. I have personally been driving an EV for close to three years now and have noticed absolutely no loss in range. Not a single bit. And this is a car with circa 2010 battery tech. There are real challenges when using an EV as a daily driver, but this is not a major one. When it comes to buying a used EV, this should absolutely be something evaluated at purchase. But, there are dozens of things one should evaluate when purchasing a used vehicle, and with thousands of moving parts in the drivetrain, you are not always going to be able to scrutinize all those when buying an ICE vehicle. It should be relatively easy, on the other hand, to see an electric vehicle's range at full state of charge. So, pick your poison. |
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While I'm not as knowledgeable in that subject, I do know that some manufacturers have Battery warranties included if a batteries usability were to decrease past 70% of its initial capacity for 8yrs/150k, and I believe that most manufacturers leave a buffer of capacity? But like I said I don't know too much about battery technology to truly answer. This will definitely be an interesting point for those that tend to keep their vehicles long-term or high-milage. At the moment I'm not sure how batteries will age, that is still to be seen as all these EV's aside from Tesla's are too new to know, but I have seen some high milage Tesla's, but that will be another area in which I guess we will have to hope that the technology prevails and progresses quickly. |
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The timing is right to replace my wife's Macan, but I optioned one this morning with similar options, and it was $116k.
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The media and Tesla fanboys will call this an inferior product and a rip-off.
But these people don't know what they're talking about. Porsche has never been the "value" choice. They don't have the best tech, range, or pricing; but if you actually drive their cars and appreciate world-class engineering then you understand. Porsche knows its customers and that's why they sell every Taycan they produce.
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Hopefully the $79k Taycan will mean we will also get a cheaper version of the sister car Audi E-Tron GT with decent specs.
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Pretty hard to not sell every Taycan they have made. Taycan Turbo S vs. Model S Performance - https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...s-performance/
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What I meant to say was FADED away but FATED works just as well.
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Regarding Porsche charging more money than other makers - of course they will. That’s their pricing choice and they have been successful with it so far. Porsche has brand equity that is monetized in the form of purchase price, and a product with performance and quality that lives up to the brand. It’s brilliance in product and marketing. |
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I think people are overestimating how many people realistically cross shop Teslas and Porsches. The Taycan's price makes it all the more exclusive; I'm sure that's partly why Porsche priced it much higher than the Model S.
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Tesla is everyman’s EV. Toyota and Honda will take share from Tesla one of these days, if EVs become mainstream. To me Tesla is at a brand level similar to Toyota and BMW, possibly also Volvo/Polestar. Tesla is not legitimately competing with MB or Porsche. |
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The Taycan is VERY different from competitors. Try driving a turbo one, you will see. I was skeptical and after driving it for 5 minutes I was blown away by it, and I am the last guy on the EV interest list. A Macan with the Taycan Turbo battery would be incredible. |
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Also, why are you the last guy on the EV interest list but at the same time say "a Macan with a Taycan Turbo battery would be incredible"? Seems like you are very interested in the right EV.
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A Taycan is a sports sedan
It's teetering on $80K If you're not careful and you sneeze while ordering, you could end up paying close to $100K for it. $500+ for embossed headrest, and $200+ for colored crest on the center cap and so on. |
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However... I didn't find it $130k impressive, which was what the 4S I test drove cost. IMO, an electric is only to add to fun cars, as it cannot match it. I view it as an appliance, and in that regards, $1900 a month for a "commuter" car is ridiculous. There are so many advantages of an electric cars for every day use though. P.S. I find a used i3S very compelling at around $20k btw. But obviously, this is not as a replacement for an M.
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