[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by minn19

Hey they got 3!

Now 4!!

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

We'll see about that when HAM loses his secret toys.

You mean his innate skill, drive for success, continual improving and amazing race craft?

[MKSixer]

Head-to-Head comparison at nearly equal times in the sport.
HAM First, VER Second.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

This conversation/argument has been taking place in almost every other F1 thread, particularly those about HAM. I'm an unabashed and unapologetic Lewis Hamilton fan. I've been watching his career since 2004/2005 and F1 in general for over 45 years.

There are those here that are unapologetic Max Verstappen fans and I actually have no problem with that.

Where my problem exist is that a narrative exist that Max is a candidate for GOAT after 9 wins, 2 poles and 30 odd podiums in 5+ years on Formula One and is better than Lewis as a driver. In my estimation, it isn't reasonable to say he is a candidate for GOAT since he has no WDCs and many other parameters.

Here is the ask of the thread. Who is better...Lewis or Max and provide EVIDENCE of why that is so. "I just think he is" won't get the job done.

Thread/Forum meltdown in 3, 2, 1...

Edit: HAM on top, VER second.

Putting on a poll is a panic measure by you to cover up the deficiencies of machinery used by both drivers.
You have made comparisons so I'll make one,I'll try and keep it simple and straightforward,so if two runners were to run around a running track that did not allow spike trainers but one did and it was allowed afterwards then who would likely win ...I rest my case.

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by Chappers 71

There's always those amongst us that support the most successful driver/football/hockey/American 'football'/whatever team/sports person just because they lack something in their own moral fibre

It takes a REAL man to support an underdog

There is absolutely nothing wrong with supporting an underdog, that's not the issue here. The issue is that certain members refuse to admit that HAM worked his way to the top of the sport, and therefore deserves praise and recognition.

The argument is always that HAM's success it's nothing more than the car. Which is complete nonsense.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Putting on a poll is a panic measure by you to cover up the deficiencies of machinery used by both drivers.
You have made comparisons so I'll make one,I'll try and keep it simple and straightforward,so if two runners were to run around a running track that did not allow spike trainers but one did and it was allowed afterwards then who would likely win ...I rest my case.

Go to HAMs 2009 season. He was in a car pronounced, "unacceptable" by the TP, Martin Whitmarsh. He still finished 5th in the championship in one of the slowest cars winning 2 races and scoring 4 Pole positions. He was the only driver keeping the Brawn and Red Bull honest.

Max has NEVER driven a car a bad as the MP4-24. Period. End of Story. Lewis put that dog on the pole 4 times and won 2 races. Max only has 2 poles in his whole career. When Max does something like this, let me know. It hasn't happened yet.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Go to HAMs 2009 season. He was in a car pronounced, "unacceptable" by the TP, Martin Whitmarsh. He still finished 5th in the championship in one of the slowest cars winning 2 races and scoring 4 Pole positions. He was the only driver keeping the Brawn and Red Bull honest.

Max has NEVER driven a car a bad as the MP4-24. Period. End of Story. Lewis put that dog on the pole 4 times and won 2 races. Max only has 2 poles in his whole career. When Max does something like this, let me know. It hasn't happened yet.

Well I must admit HAM did have a bad car in 2009 the MP4-24 as you say and if I remember it looked like a meccano construction in some places especially the front wing.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Well I must admit HAM did have a bad car in 2009 the MP4-24 as you say and if I remember it looked like a meccano construction in some places especially the front wing.

There may be hope for you yet.

Max has never had a car that bad. All of his cars have been designed by the most prolific designer in the history of Formula One...Adrian Newey. He has more F1 Championships than all teams except McLaren and Ferrari.

[MKSixer]

And while I'm here dashing hopes...let the joy continue!!

https://insideracing.com/formula-1/1...milton-pairing

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

There may be hope for you yet.

Max has never had a car that bad. All of his cars have been designed by the most prolific designer in the history of Formula One...Adrian Newey. He has more F1 Championships than all teams except McLaren and Ferrari.

Don't get too carried away

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by racerbruce

-VER began karting at age 4
-VER competed in the Rotax Max Miniclass and was champion in 2006
-VER won the Dutch Minimax and Belgian Cadet championships in 2007
-VER won the Flemish Minimax and Belgian KF5 championship in 2009
-VER finished second in the World Karting KF3 championship in 2010
-VER won the WSK World Series in 2010
-VER won the WSK Euro Series in 2011
-VER won the WSK Master Series in 2012
-VER won the South Garda Winter Cup in 2012
-VER won the KF and KZ championships in 2013
-VER won the World KZ championship in 2013, the highest karting category
-VER competed in F1 for the first time in 2014
-VER was the youngest ever full time F1 pilot in 2015
-VER is the youngest F1 pilot to lead a lap during a F1 GP
-VER is the youngest F1 pilot to set fast lap during a F1 GP
-VER is the youngest F1 pilot to score points during a F1 GP
-VER is the youngest driver to secure a podium in a F1 GP
-VER is the youngest F1 GP winner
-VER is the youngest multiple F1 GP winner
-VER is the youngest F1 pilot to wing the same GP multiple times
-VER is the youngest F1 pilot to win the same GP in successive years
-VER has achieved 9 F1 wins
-VER has achieved 2 F1 pole positions
-VER has achieved 9 F1 fast laps
-VER has achieved 39 F1 podiums
-VER has achieved 3 F1 WDC 3rd place finishes

Drop the mic....

To be consistent in this post you missed the part about his skin color. Cause clearly it impacts his driving ability.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Chappers 71

I voted max because I prefere him over lewis, obviously I don't know either of them personally but from what I see of them on telly.

The stats clearly show that lewis is the more successful driver but if they were to be team mates & both given equal standing within a team my money would be on max.

You Sir , you won the Internet today !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Chappers 71

I voted max because I prefere him over lewis, obviously I don't know either of them personally but from what I see of them on telly.

The stats clearly show that lewis is the more successful driver but if they were to be team mates & both given equal standing within a team my money would be on max.

here here

[///M Power-Belgium]

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

In the rain...unbeaten since 2014 in rain affected races until last year's German Grand Prix. 5 YEARS!!

[M5Rick]

Vroomstappen.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Vroomstappen.

Unleash The Lion !

[M5Rick]

4-1 to Max

[MKSixer]

I admit that Max has the best Propaganda Machine on the grid. Few results, lots of publicity. If we voted for WDC, he'd be closing in on his 6th WDC. Unfortunately for he and his fans the WDC is settled on the track.

HAM is about to gather his 7th and Max is still at 0.

[racerbruce]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

To be consistent in this post you missed the part about his skin color. Cause clearly it impacts his driving ability.

Thank you for pointing that out. Suggest you petition Wikipedia to edit out parts of Lewis Hamilton's life that you feel are inappropriate or irrelevant:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Hamilton

[GuidoK]

I think this poll is pretty useless without a poll to decide what is the better car:
The Mercedes or the RBR.
Then multiplying the percentage outcome of HAM x RBR and VER x MB and that gives an insight in how much the car versus the driver determines the rating of who's best and who's second.

A poll about who's the more spectacular driver is also nice.
There have been lots of great F1 drivers, winning lots of championchips, but were quite boring.
I think most people watch the sport for the spectacular moments, the daring overtakes, the impossible saves, the brilliant stops in unforseen situations, that sort of stuff. Like Senna in the rain for those who are old enough.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

I think this poll is pretty useless without a poll to decide what is the better car:
The Mercedes or the RBR.
Then multiplying the percentage outcome of HAM x RBR and VER x MB and that gives an insight in how much the car versus the driver determines the rating of who's best and who's second.

A poll about who's the more spectacular driver is also nice.
There have been lots of great F1 drivers, winning lots of championchips, but were quite boring.
I think most people watch the sport for the spectacular moments, the daring overtakes, the impossible saves, the brilliant stops in unforseen situations, that sort of stuff. Like Senna in the rain for those who are old enough.

Interesting. HAM has only lost one wet race in the past 5 years. Spectacular excites people but consistency wins championships. HAM is like a metronome. Relentless. Remorseless. And still Respectful. Not a dirty racer.