[GERMAN M3]

Originally Posted by AlexFL

You should see the RS7 in real life. I was totally focussed on the RS6 until I saw the RS7. It's wide, it's flat, it's gorgeous. Probably the best interpretation of an affordable four door sportscar.

Definitely a great looking car Alex. Like the RS6.....I wish it was something that was affordable to me. Wife drives a 2018 Premium Plus A5 and the car is a blast to drive.

[TXSTYLE]

I'm not driving a station wagon looking vehicle no matter what they put on or in it.

The Q8 is one sexy MF! We considered one before grabbing our X5 xDrive50i. It is considerably smaller overall.
I'd rock the shit out of this Beautiful Beast.

[Leftkeylife]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

I'm not driving a station wagon looking vehicle no matter Wray they out on or in it.

The Q8 is one sexy MF! We considered one before grabbing our X5 xDrive50i. It is considerably smaller overall.
I'd rock the shit out of this Beautiful Beast.

As far as coupe style SUVs, the Q8, Cayenne Coupe, and Urus dominate.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by Leftkeylife

As far as coupe style SUVs, the Q8, Cayenne Coupe, and Urus dominate.

Agreed! There's a White Q8 that I've seen several times in my area with Blackout trim and 22" Black wheels and dark tint. Thing is Fire!

[GenXer]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

I'm taking this over the URUS any day of the week...

Doesn't VAG owns Lamborghini?

[Jbravo33]

Had an RS6 on order for spring delivery. Walked into local dealer that had an RSQ8 and was blown away. It was parked next to the new all road which is same size as RS6. The RSQ8 and Wagon were the same length and width. The rear trunk space of the wagon was smaller that what I imagined. The RSQ8 was basically the same size but taller. Canceled my rs6 order and got an RSQ8 instead. ETA December.

Coming from a pick up DD which I love. Being somewhat tall (6' 2") I'd rather hop in and out of the SUV than the wagon 10 out of 10 times. Performance is same. Both look mean as hell. I have a manual GT3 for the weekend and track. The suv makes way more sense. Wife, son and dog can all ride with tons of space to spare. Could easily tow the GT3 to the track with its 7700lb capacity. To me this is the ultimate daily driver.

Also the pics and video don't do it justice. In person it looks 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[itrocks4u]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

I'm taking this over the URUS any day of the week...

Its nice but can you really compare to Urus?

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by itrocks4u

Its nice but can you really compare to Urus?

Absolutely. Same exact platform. And this vehicle has more power! And looks better IMO.

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by David70

I never understood the super high performance SUV, and leaves me thinking how much better it would be if it was a car.

It's for the people that want/need ground clearance while still retaining the driving characteristics of a sporty car. I'm not an SUV guy as the X3M is the first SUV I've ever owned and while I may go back to a car next vehicle I have to admit it's so nice to be able to park anywhere and drive up any curb without having to worry about scraping the front or rear of the car. Also being in a northern climate I don't have to worry about my front end acting as a snow plow or getting caught on hard packed snow. It's a drive it fast and not worry about anything vehicle and I'm liking it a lot more than I thought I would.

With all that out of the way I think it's kind of stupid to buy a performance SUV and slam it but to each his own.

[lonegun]

The solution to the SUV/Sedan debate is easy, GET A MODEL Y PERFORMANCE! It can beat 911 on track while having enough space for 7 seats. It beats RSQ8 in 0-60 too. Best of all, it won't burn a hole in your pocket buying gas.

Honestly, if BMW doesn't move to performance electric cars soon (no, not that ugly slow i4) it's gonna lose a lot customer including me to Tesla.

As for the SUV vs Sedan debate, unless you plan on tracking your car, it's silly buying a track oriented performance car that's defeated by the speed bump at your local mall. SUV/CUV allow you to navigate the shitty B roads in north america while allowing you to carry way more gears to go on a road trip. If you are into the outdoor at all that is. And who doesn't enjoy a power lift gate for day to day shopping in a grocery store? How do you even shop in Ikea without a SUV?

To me, SUV makes more sense than Sedans for almost everyone.

[lonegun]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I stopped reading after this.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/ele...cker-997-turbo

[lonegun]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Congrats, your upgraded Tesla beat a 10+ year old car

Yes, the 911 (2004-2012 Generation) that lap the nurburgring in 7:40.

[David70]

Originally Posted by lonegun

The solution to the SUV/Sedan debate is easy, GET A MODEL Y PERFORMANCE! It can beat 911 on track while having enough space for 7 seats. It beats RSQ8 in 0-60 too. Best of all, it won't burn a hole in your pocket buying gas.

Honestly, if BMW doesn't move to performance electric cars soon (no, not that ugly slow i4) it's gonna lose a lot customer including me to Tesla.

As for the SUV vs Sedan debate, unless you plan on tracking your car, it's silly buying a track oriented performance car that's defeated by the speed bump at your local mall. SUV/CUV allow you to navigate the shitty B roads in north america while allowing you to carry way more gears to go on a road trip. If you are into the outdoor at all that is. And who doesn't enjoy a power lift gate for day to day shopping in a grocery store? How do you even shop in Ikea without a SUV?

To me, SUV makes more sense than Sedans for almost everyone.

98% of the time a sedan does everything I need, I wouldn't buy an SUV for the 2%. I have never had a problem with speed bumps, any roads, or needed to carry more gear on trips. Even the "outdoors", everywhere I go worst case is you take a dirt road to a trailhead, not like I am headed over bolders in my Tesla Y. I don't have a need for a 7 seater for my wife and I and my car fits 4 adults comfortably. I have never purchased anything big from IKEA but if I wanted to I could figure out a way, I am renovating a house right now and either have everything delivered or rent the Lowes/Home Depot truck as needed. Even then it is likely about once every two months, I wouldn't deal with an SUV day to day to do it. If I had a bunch of kids maybe I would think differently for one of our vehicles.

Because of weight and height, an SUV normally costs more and every performance metric and mpg is at least slightly worse compared to the comparable car.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by lonegun

The solution to the SUV/Sedan debate is easy, GET A MODEL Y PERFORMANCE! It can beat 911 on track while having enough space for 7 seats. It beats RSQ8 in 0-60 too. Best of all, it won't burn a hole in your pocket buying gas.

Honestly, if BMW doesn't move to performance electric cars soon (no, not that ugly slow i4) it's gonna lose a lot customer including me to Tesla.

As for the SUV vs Sedan debate, unless you plan on tracking your car, it's silly buying a track oriented performance car that's defeated by the speed bump at your local mall. SUV/CUV allow you to navigate the shitty B roads in north america while allowing you to carry way more gears to go on a road trip. If you are into the outdoor at all that is. And who doesn't enjoy a power lift gate for day to day shopping in a grocery store? How do you even shop in Ikea without a SUV?

To me, SUV makes more sense than Sedans for almost everyone.

Lol posts like these are why people dislike Tesla fanboys. Mentioning a Model Y in the same breath as a Porsche, that too the 911.

When I worked at Tesla my clients did the same thing. So irritating.

[lonegun]

Originally Posted by David70

98% of the time a sedan does everything I need, I wouldn't buy an SUV for the 2%. I have never had a problem with speed bumps, any roads, or needed to carry more gear on trips. Even the "outdoors", everywhere I go worst case is you take a dirt road to a trailhead, not like I am headed over bolders in my Tesla Y. I don't have a need for a 7 seater for my wife and I and my car fits 4 adults comfortably. I have never purchased anything big from IKEA but if I wanted to I could figure out a way, I am renovating a house right now and either have everything delivered or rent the Lowes/Home Depot truck as needed. Even then it is likely about once every two months, I wouldn't deal with an SUV day to day to do it. If I had a bunch of kids maybe I would think differently for one of our vehicles.

Because of weight and height, an SUV normally costs more and every performance metric and mpg is at least slightly worse compared to the comparable car.

X1 weigh as around the same as 3 series with similar fuel economy. AMG GLA 45 can rekt a lot of Sedans.

Model Y DM and Performance is the best dollar/performance than any sports Sedan.

[lonegun]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

Lol posts like these are why people dislike Tesla fanboys. Mentioning a Model Y in the same breath as a Porsche, that too the 911.

When I worked at Tesla my clients did the same thing. So irritating.

Post like relink to Top Gear? Yea I'm sure they are a bunch of Tesla fanboys there. I'm definitely not one though as I just like to compare techs and things and fan of no one. Boy I wish there's something I can compare Model 3 and Model Y performance with in terms of performance to value but I simply can't find one. I wish BMW makes one, but they came up with i4!?! It's like they are trying to lose!

It's irritating when I find irrational people who automatically think whoever brings up Tesla is a Tesla fanboy. How about you come up with a strong argument against it instead?

[lonegun]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Ugh. You're one of those 0-60 above all else type of people. Some of us actually care about how cars drive.

Also GLA45 "rekt" a bunch of sedans. I'm a MB enthusiast and even I know the GLA has to be one of (if not) the worst MB's on sale.

Have you even driven a fast Tesla? I can guaranteed that it will make you hate how slow your cars feel after. But I am talking about track time, which electric cars are seriously taking over.

[lonegun]

Originally Posted by jstein55

I have driven numerous Tesla's, great cars for point a to b driving, but not as much driver's satisfaction, especially in the S, X and Y, the 3 is better.

However like I said, I buy cars for their handling and how they feel. I don't care if it can go 0-60 in 2-seconds if it doesn't provide any feedback or engagement. Its a problem I find with not only Tesla but the Taycan (which I've also driven) and the M5 (even ICE vehicles have this issues) which is fast but numb.

I'm not looking for a novocaine racer to launch at stop-lights, I want backroad cruises and track days, which is why I have a Z4 M, I like a naturally aspirated motor that sounds great and revs high in the RPM range, a sweet 6-speed manual gearbox, and communicative hydraulic steering all with the top down. Show me an electric car that can do those things and you will have my money.

As for EV's taking over the tracks, I have yet to see that happen.

Lots of guys and companies are modding Teslas to make them track day ready, but we are not even talking about track day cars as that's a completely different topic all together.

The topic is should people hate performance SUV? I think it's silly to hate a vehicle that can carry people and things fast and efficiently from point A and B. That's what a car is literally designed for! If a person want to carry more things fast like with a RSQ8 to go to point B, it's more power to him! If you want ultimate efficiency in terms of your money to do that job, don't get a RSQ8, get a performance Model Y.

If you want to track day car, get an Atom.

[lonegun]

Originally Posted by jstein55

Dude you are all over the place. First it was you that brought up a Model Y being faster on track than a 911, then try to say the topic isn't about track days at all, yet it was you who first mentioned it, and now you want to avoid the topic all together when you can get a proper answer out, nice job steering yourself out of that one

Yea and obviously you stopped reading there LOL. You took one sentence in my post and makes it all about that sentence and somehow I'm the one who keeps bringing up track day? In an essay, it's call a hook, and I guess I hooked you there.

[lonegun]

Originally Posted by jstein55

This thread is dead so why not take it off topic into a rant anyways.

And actually, you did make it about track day, I'll explain. I replied to your initial comment in which you mentioned a Model Y vs 911 on track.



You then replied with another comment with the Model Y vs 911 on track linking top gear after I made a simple joke of having stop reading your post.




Germanauto then replied and I changed the topic to not caring about 0-60 times, in which you mentioned the track test despite me then talking about the GLA and preferring handling over 0-60.



I then replied to why I bought a Z4 being the handling and engagement factors trump lower 0-60 times for me and that I take it to a track to have fun with the engine, gearbox, feedback and engagement, which an EV would not provide on track.

And then you say despite only one post earlier saying Quite a turn around.

Sure why not?

Well you required clarification of my "hook", so I did by providing the link to support my argument that Tesla Model Y had indeed beat 911's track time. But I guess from your point of view, it must seem like I'm only talking about track time as I seems to be presenting evidence contradicting your arguments. It's not, I'm simply presenting evidence defending my hook, which you in turn wrote off implying 977 is not a capable car:

Originally Posted by jstein55

Congrats, your upgraded Tesla beat a 10+ year old car

First let's dissect this statement. "10+ year old car"? No, it's a generation of Porche that was into production until 2012.

Second, is it capable? People lauded this generation of 911 as possibly the best generation and did remarkable time on Nurburgring. So it's definitely capable as a competitor as it will destroy most modern cars on the track.

Then I went to reply to other members who actually read my post and replied to them regarding SUV vs Sedans as you seems to faded into background.... until you came back hating on GLA45.

So no, I'm not talking about track day car, simply defending and providing evidence to my statements like a good poster would.

[c1pher]

I think I would still get the Lamborghini, or the Cayenne. But these are big vehicles. They need big hp numbers because they are tyrannosaurus sized. I drive my 2017 Macan Turbo that will be four years old in a few months and can’t think of anything I would consider replacing it with right now.

[David70]

Originally Posted by lonegun

X1 weigh as around the same as 3 series with similar fuel economy. AMG GLA 45 can rekt a lot of Sedans.

Model Y DM and Performance is the best dollar/performance than any sports Sedan.

X1 - 24 City/ 33 hwy 27 combined
3 series 26/33 - 30 combined --- 15% better

Acceleration, handling, braking will also follow the same path. "Similar" aka worse but close enough in your mind.

I prefer to RWD for the same reason, 98% of the time I don't need or want it.

You can create a "best dollar/performance" criteria for anything if you create the metrics.