[RedlinePSI]

Originally Posted by Mike00

I like all 3. Not quite sure how you can say the interior of the Camaro is ugly comapred to say mustang. I do like the Challenger interior the best however of the 3.

Well, it has improved I will admit that. Actually quite a bit. I took a closer look. But i'm still just not a fan of the hexagonal style, which looks like they did downplay somewhat. Vs the Mustang it's a toss up of personal preference. But the Challenger is def best.

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by RedlinePSI

Well, it has improved I will admit that. Actually quite a bit. I took a closer look. But i'm still just not a fan of the hexagonal style, which looks like they did downplay somewhat. Vs the Mustang it's a toss up of personal preference. But the Challenger is def best.

I won't see they are up to the german styling yet. But honestly American cars have made huge leaps forward in interior styling. My last car was a 13 S4 and I'm now in a Lexus GS 350. That said I can see myself jumping into a 2SS Camaro in a little over a year when my lease is up. I''m looking at that because the performance for price is incredible and the interior is nice enough these days.

Besides we all know the NA V8 is on borrowed time. I want to own one before it goes.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by fcman

On the same line of thinking this new Camaro SS as tested has almost identical performance to the Z51-equipped C7 Vette (According to MotorTrends reviews of each car), for $38,585 vs $60,400. So why pay that much for the corvette?

Cuz they are sexy as hell.

Same reason why people send 300 k for a Lamborghini when gtr can do the treat.

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by Zarilia

On new cars... I believe for the 2016 models

I think 2017

BMW still packages the rear camera on the M with a 3K option package. I was pissed i couldn't order it a la carte.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by williesm

Great numbers and all... But what do you expect from 6.2liters. It's not exactly innovation.

Its the new LT1, what you find in the C7. Very different engine than the LS3/L99 it had before and the car is ~200 lbs lighter than the 5th gen.

The price is what's killing me. $37k for the 6th gen SS, I believe, compared to the 5th gen SS of $34k. $3k difference? Wow.

And Ford is has been making great numbers with its 5.0 Mustang, which has always been lighter than the Camaro.

[Nitrousbird]

Originally Posted by williesm

Great numbers and all... But what do you expect from 6.2liters. It's not exactly innovation.

This is just a dumb comment.

Who gives a crap if it was 9 liters? Displacement doesn't matter - weight, packaging, power and fuel economy matter. OHV engines are very compact by design, so you can have a much larger displacement and still be a smaller package than a DOHC motor.

[Mamyf30]

American cars a starting to become very competitive with German engineering. The performance is closing in!

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

The price is what's killing me. $37k for the 6th gen SS, I believe, compared to the 5th gen SS of $34k. $3k difference? Wow.

My 2SS 5th gen was around 40K with all the options/packages. Also had the factory GFX, so 37K isn't too far out. Plus, you can get the 6th gen with the magnetic shocks. That's huge. Even in the 5ths life cycle there were some suspension/chassis upgrades along the way.

[David70]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Its the new LT1, what you find in the C7. Very different engine than the LS3/L99 it had before and the car is ~200 lbs lighter than the 5th gen.

The price is what's killing me. $37k for the 6th gen SS, I believe, compared to the 5th gen SS of $34k. $3k difference? Wow.

And Ford is has been making great numbers with its 5.0 Mustang, which has always been lighter than the Camaro.

I believe it is actually a $2k price difference and it now comes standard with more items, lighter weight, and more hp. It would be interesting to see what you would have to do to the 2015 to make it perform as well as an equal spec 2016.

As a "value" for a performance car it is very good, especially when comparing it to the performance cars from Germany in the same price range.

[StealYourFace]

I owned 5 Camaros and firebirds back in the day... I was really hoping for something a bit different from the new Camaro- like a greenhouse you can actually see out of. I wasn't expecting the proportions of an e92, but come on, those slits for windows just kill it for me.

[pgviper]

Saw some videos of the 6th gen camaro comparing it to the 5th gen and it looks damn good.

Pictures now a days don't always do a car justice. The styling of modern cars include form lines that tend to cause shadows in a picture. I always reserve judgement until I see the vehicle in real life.

[gtron]

Originally Posted by StealYourFace

I owned 5 Camaros and firebirds back in the day... I was really hoping for something a bit different from the new Camaro- like a greenhouse you can actually see out of. I wasn't expecting the proportions of an e92, but come on, those slits for windows just kill it for me.

i bet you hate lamborghini's.

[Nitrousbird]

Originally Posted by Mamyf30

American cars a starting to become very competitive with German engineering. The performance is closing in!

By closing in, you mean has been embarrassing the Germans for some time now...

[StealYourFace]

Originally Posted by gtron

i bet you hate lamborghini's.

LOL, a neighbor has one of the last ones built with a stick, and it's a drop top The sound is worth it.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

My 2SS 5th gen was around 40K with all the options/packages. Also had the factory GFX, so 37K isn't too far out. Plus, you can get the 6th gen with the magnetic shocks. That's huge. Even in the 5ths life cycle there were some suspension/chassis upgrades along the way.

Yea, that was a 2SS. The $37k will be before any options, so probably $44k or more for something of the sort with the 2SS you had before.

Originally Posted by David70

I believe it is actually a $2k price difference and it now comes standard with more items, lighter weight, and more hp. It would be interesting to see what you would have to do to the 2015 to make it perform as well as an equal spec 2016.

As a "value" for a performance car it is very good, especially when comparing it to the performance cars from Germany in the same price range.

Well, if you look at what is offered right now. The base SS, with no options, is $34.5k and the base 2016 SS is $37.2k. So nearly $3k more. I understand all the new stuff for the chassis and all the other jazz. But compared to its rival the Mustang, its over $2k more.

I bet there is a number of items that is standard now that was an option before that drove the price up. Blind spot this and that, lane departure, Nav, etc.

I did not like the 5th gen interior at all but now this has me wanting to make a trade but I want to see if there is a 1LE coming out......probably not for a while if it is coming.

[David70]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Yea, that was a 2SS. The $37k will be before any options, so probably $44k or more for something of the sort with the 2SS you had before.



Well, if you look at what is offered right now. The base SS, with no options, is $34.5k and the base 2016 SS is $37.2k. So nearly $3k more. I understand all the new stuff for the chassis and all the other jazz. But compared to its rival the Mustang, its over $2k more.

I bet there is a number of items that is standard now that was an option before that drove the price up. Blind spot this and that, lane departure, Nav, etc.

I did not like the 5th gen interior at all but now this has me wanting to make a trade but I want to see if there is a 1LE coming out......probably not for a while if it is coming.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review

The SS model comes standard with Brembo brakes, 20-inch summer tires, and coolers for its transmission, rear differential, and engine oil. It’s the same sort of gear included in the Ford Mustang GT’s $2495 Performance package, only standard. When Ford fans gleefully call out the disparity between the V-8 Camaro’s $37,295 base price and the Mustang GT’s $33,295 ask, this is precisely what they’ll leave out of their argument. (Although that still leaves the Chevy some $1500 pricier.)

I probably wouldn't buy either of them but if I liked the Camaro more, $1500 wouldn't be enough to bother me on a $40k car. I also would buy the Performance package if I bought the Mustang, again, can't see paying this much for a performance car and not getting the Performance Package.

In the end, put two cars together how you would actually buy them and compare them this way. "Base prices" are good for getting people in the door then having virtually no on buy a "Base" car.

[Mike00]

Originally Posted by David70

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t-drive-review



I probably wouldn't buy either of them but if I liked the Camaro more, $1500 wouldn't be enough to bother me on a $40k car. I also would buy the Performance package if I bought the Mustang, again, can't see paying this much for a performance car and not getting the Performance Package.

In the end, put two cars together how you would actually buy them and compare them this way. "Base prices" are good for getting people in the door then having virtually no on buy a "Base" car.

The SS Camaro has been spanking the GT in terms of performance. Yes it is more money but 1500-2000 is not a lot of difference. What is even most interesting is the A8 SS with MRC has been hitting numbers close to the GT350 base. The Gt350 is a stronger performer but not by much. Hell for that matter this car is not coming far behind the Vette and we are talking $20k difference.

The 6th gen Camaro is just looking plain incredible in terms of price per performance and the 2SS has a nice enough interior that I'll move away from my German/Lexus cars in a year when my lease is up.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by B.M.W.

This sounds amazing, but the visibility inside these cars are terrible. GM gave the car a backup camera as standard after so many issues & complaints about the 5th gen's rear visibility. The 5th Gen itself had a hide blind spot and C pillars that ruin forward visibility & they made them bigger & the side window smaller in the 6th Gen.

The performance aspect is amazing though & they also come with more standard features than the Mustang equivalent (but there's a price difference so duh).
I'm interested to see what these LT4's can do with a few modifications. 11's seem easily obtainable & while they don't have a DCT gearbox the 8-Speed is actually really quick for a slush box & can take some serious power.

In 2014 the NHTSA made back up cameras mandatory on all cars by the 2018 model year (May 2018). The phase-in starts May of 2016, so most all new-design production cars will have standard rear-view technology as they go into production prior to the mandate as it is less expensive to add the technology at the start of production rather than phase it in.

Go drive a BMW E86 Z4 Coupe it's worse than any Camaro.

[B.M.W.]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

In 2014 the NHTSA made back up cameras mandatory on all cars by the 2018 model year (May 2018). The phase-in starts May of 2016, so most all new-design production cars will have standard rear-view technology as they go into production prior to the mandate as it is less expensive to add the technology at the start of production rather than phase it in.

Go drive a BMW E86 Z4 Coupe it's worse than any Camaro.

Ahh that makes more sense. Thank you, I'm glad I learned something today.
The Z4 Coupes do have worse visibility though, I'll give you that but in a 2 seat coupe with limited storage, I'd expect it to be horrible.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by B.M.W.

Ahh that makes more sense. Thank you, I'm glad I learned something today.
The Z4 Coupes do have worse visibility though, I'll give you that but in a 2 seat coupe with limited storage, I'd expect it to be horrible.

And the Camaro has such a usable back seat too

[B.M.W.]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

And the Camaro has such a usable back seat too

And a respectable boot/trunk as well. Mine would haul me and two friends + luggage & groceries for a 2 week vacation

[Foggins]

I owned a 2015 Mustang GT earlier this year...never owned an American car before this, but was really surprised with the ride, interior, value, and looks. Not quite up to the German standards but a huge leap forward. While I am looking forward to getting back into an M3, the current pony cars are pretty damn impressive.