[Billup]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

I curse for about 45 minutes whenever I clean my wheels.

And with the glory that are BMW brakes, they need to be cleaned about every two weeks otherwise the wheels are an entirely different color...

It's likely my worst first world problem. It's a heavy burden that I live with...

I just painted my wheels black so I forgot what brake dust even looks like. LOL


I love the look of almost all the new Lexus lineup, especially IS-F & GS-F. Blah blah manual and grille, if those are your two biggest concerns, there are other cars to fit your needs. GS-F is sexy, and is going to be a great out of the box car for commuting.

[KingOfJericho]

I don't think I've every seen a car with the entire front fascia being a grille/air vent... until now.

[iDriveanXi]

Those seats are pretty Damn nice though

[zer0cool]

Official info is out, basically the same drive-train as the RC, but with a GS body. In terms of total power, more of a S6/550i competitor, but about 250lbs lighter than 550i. Price is not out yet but I assume should be <80k well equipped given the power and competitor pricing...

Will definitely test drive.

[BMW269]

It is more a kind of 4 door RC F, which makes sense the RC F being more a kind of GS F Coupé with IS interior, due to its weight.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Billup

GS-F is sexy, and is going to be a great out of the box car for commuting.

For commuting the GS-F lacks torque. Driving around having to rev the engine, constantly dropping gears to get power would get annoying.

It won't have the effortless power for daily driving as the others in the segments with the big torquey turbo V8's.

I like the powertrain, it just works better in smaller coupe trackable package.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

For commuting the GS-F lacks torque. Driving around having to rev the engine, constantly dropping gears to get power would get annoying.

It won't have the effortless power for daily driving as the others in the segments with the big torquey turbo V8's.

I like the powertrain, it just works better in smaller coupe trackable package.

Lacks torque? It has same torque as M5 E60. +500 Nm is not enough? How much is needed? 1000 Nm?

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Levi

Lacks torque? It has same torque as M5 E60. +500 Nm is not enough? How much is needed? 1000 Nm?

E60 M5 lacked low end torque. Had to be revved out and then mpg suffered severely.

Yes GS-F lacks torque compared to the segment. The new turbo V8's in cars of this size especially packed with passengers, have effortless power. It doesn't really matter what gear you start in they pull like a freight train. That is due do their torquey nature. For example the GS-F is down over 200 lb-ft vs the new CTS-V, thats huge. The 100lbs less weight won't even come close to balancing that out. It is also how low in the rpm band peak torque is available, it is ideal for daily driving stoplight to stoplight. The cars in this segment are purely daily commuters and people movers, the turbo V8's are much more suited for this task.

I see the GS-F more of competitor to the CTS V-sport, Audi S6 or even a M-sport 550i. Hopefully Lexus/Toyota prices it accordingly.

[Nex]

If the weight of this big thing is around 4000lbs, why the hell is the RC-F the same weight? Why is the RC-F so friggin heavy?

[AlterZgo]

I like the Lexus GSF weak motor and all... But with Lexus only importing 200 cars, what's the point?

[Schnell_1]

The seats ARE amazing! But they will need to produce 100 HP each in order to make the car relevant with people cross-shopping M, AMG, RS, CTS-V. This car is dead on arrival for anyone wanting a serious performance sedan.

[F1Venom]

Lexus always underwhelms compared to the competition. They should have just gone all out and made this 670 hp, 700 lb ft torque, AWD and the same weight

[TXSTYLE]

The 70's called. They want their CYLON back...

"By your command!"

[TXSTYLE]

They should've gone THIS direction.

I'd rock this...

[hellrotm]

It doesn't make much sense. Toyota has a ton of cash, why can't they produce any new up to date powerplants. Are they just lazy?

[03///m3]

Is Lexus planning on making a new IS F? I like the new IS but I agree that the power train could use some updating including a DCT.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by 03///m3

Is Lexus planning on making a new IS F? I like the new IS but I agree that the power train could use some updating including a DCT.

Not with V8 but with V6 turbo. That engine will debut in new LS.

[03///m3]

Originally Posted by Levi

Not with V8 but with V6 turbo. That engine will debut in new LS.

That sounds awesome paired with a good DCT.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Levi

Lacks torque? It has same torque as M5 E60. +500 Nm is not enough? How much is needed? 1000 Nm?

You're ignoring the E60's torque curve.

[jkrig]

I like it, should give E400, 550i, S6 and maybe even CTS-Vsoprt shoppers something to think about.....I'd take the GS over any of the aformentioned sedans with like options. It will be lighter than some, faster than most, more fuel efficient than most, yet still cometitively priced.....and lets not even get into reliability/dependability. It doesn't put up M, AMG or RS numbers but it wont cost as much either.....

I think Lexus has a viable formula here, the IS-F Sport (despite its weight) and GS-F Sport (lack of power) both won comparo's over their cheif rivals.....the GS chasis is clearly a great platform to build opon....

[R N M]

GSF Looks great and if priced right could be a winner.
Not enough power to compete against M5 more like M3....

[BMW269]

Lexus is putting serious effort into building performance cars, with both the 2015 Lexus RC F coupe and the 2016 Lexus GS F sedan packing a 467-hp punch from a 5.0-liter V-8 engine. But what else makes those cars special? To find out, we talked to Lexus RC F and GS F chief engineer Yukihiko Yaguchi.

AUTOMOBILE: What performance developments unique to the 2016 Lexus GS F are you most proud of?
YAGUCHI: I am proud of the seamless switch from public-road to track driving, which is the signature of F [Lexus' name for performance cars]. In the GS F, this transition is remarkable as the car is strong, feeling uncompromised for its purpose in both situations. Often, it is hard to keep good a track car feeling luxurious on public roads.

A: What specifically changes when you switch between standard, sport and track modes on the 2016 Lexus GS F?
Y: Sport mode is one of the car's drive modes and track mode is the one of the TVD [Torque Vectoring Differential] modes. In addition to TVD operation and the degree of torque vectoring, the steering feel/weight changes as well as transmission response, shift points, and throttle blipping with each mode.

A: What styling elements are unique to the 2016 Lexus GS F, and how do they move the F performance style forward?
Y: We included several F design cues, such as a mesh grille, on the GS F. The front fenders, hood, and fascia are unique and add visible length. There is also a rear diffuser and four exhaust outlets. The styling elements are also aerodynamic elements that help manage airflow around the car at speed.

A: Was there any thought given to increasing power given that the Lexus GS F is bigger and heavier than the RC F, or are you confident it will perform with sedans in the similar class?
Y: The cars' performance is almost the same so I want customers to choose which they like: sedan or coupe between RC F and GS F, as that is a matter of taste. The GS F will offer a Lexus F brand performance experience with a focus on fun and an easy-to-drive experience, while balancing its street and track character.

A: Other performance brands are moving heavily into turbocharging. What advantages does a naturally aspirated V-8 offer over the competition?
Y: Response, sound, seamless power delivery -- those are the three key elements to the F brand experience, and a naturally aspirated engine gives drivers predictable power, and builds confidence in tandem with the rest of the vehicle system tuning.

A: Would an engine smaller than the V-8 ever be considered for an F performance model?
Y: No. I think the V-8 is the sportiest and it meets the power and fuel economy targets with a combination of Atkinson/Otto cycle operation. The sound is a very important part of the experience, I feel.

A: The F performance brand is now been expanded to two main line models. How much further would you like to expand it?
Y: We don't have future plans yet that we can share, but the F brand is a key part of Lexus globally going forward.

A: Is there a desire or need to create another halo type vehicle along the lines of the Lexus LFA as an ultimate expression of the F performance brand?
Y: The Lexus RC F-based race car will take that responsibility instead. The RC F GT3 story will evolve in the coming year to help become an ultimate expression of F brand globally.

A: Other performance brands are moving heavily into turbocharging. What advantages does a naturally aspirated V-8 offer over the competition?
Y: Response, sound, seamless power delivery -- those are the three key elements to the F brand experience, and a naturally aspirated engine gives drivers predictable power, and builds confidence in tandem with the rest of the vehicle system tuning.

A: Would an engine smaller than the V-8 ever be considered for an F performance model?
Y: No. I think the V-8 is the sportiest and it meets the power and fuel economy targets with a combination of Atkinson/Otto cycle operation. The sound is a very important part of the experience, I feel.

A: The F performance brand is now been expanded to two main line models. How much further would you like to expand it?
Y: We don't have future plans yet that we can share, but the F brand is a key part of Lexus globally going forward.

A: Is there a desire or need to create another halo type vehicle along the lines of the Lexus LFA as an ultimate expression of the F performance brand?
Y: The Lexus RC F-based race car will take that responsibility instead. The RC F GT3 story will evolve in the coming year to help become an ultimate expression of F brand globally.


http://www.automobilemag.com/feature...ihiko-yaguchi/