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If a government creates policy based on a study, and we don't like that these polices meddle in our daily lives, then the logical thing to do is to reject the validity of the study?
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Climate change is man made - its literally created and manipulated by the government. |
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What does that have to do with coal oxidation byproducts? You don't need government funding to burn something and measure the results. We did that in labs in college.
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Are we upholding the standards of critical thinking by disqualifying studies with conspiracy theories that best fit our confirmation bias?
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Are we upholding the standards of critical thinking by disqualifying future studies that will counter existing or past studies that best fit our confirmation bias? Very few if any studies are unbiased, and scientific studies change with technological, data, and statistical changes, most studies start with its own confirmation bias, its studies by other humans afterall. What exactly is increasing consumption (in this case, EV)doing to help climate change?
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My initial post was an earnest attempt to understand the thought process of those who are anti-EV and those climate change skeptics and why they are so closely related. Is there a causational or correlational relationship? Here's how the conversation went: Quote:
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A small part of me was expecting someone to suggest that their stance on the EV was formed from the idea that they were skeptical of the idea of climate change because of a particular study, or personal experience. This would indication a causational relationship in a clear direction. Instead, here was the answer I recieved: Quote:
So, we can reasonably deduce that the decision to be anti-EV was primarily that they do not want to be told what to do by the government. Not a study, not a personal experience regarding climate change itself, instead they simply didn't like being told what to do. So I then attempted to ascertain the value of studies aka "mainstream science" in this formation of beliefs: Quote:
I got my answer, and please correct me if I am wrong, but the value of mainstream science is low in the anti-EV, climate change skeptic crowd. Your reply supports this phenomena as well: Now we are getting somewhere! Flat earthers also reject overwhelming "mainstream" scientific evidence that doesn't align with their beliefs. They use alternative explanations, like the idea that time zones are a product of the sun acting as a spotlight moving in a circle above the earth. If only very few studies are unbiased, what alternative explanations are you, yourself, utilizing to help form your current belief?
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Interesting. Source?
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Shes more the exception than the rule. Most of the kids at my kids school dont even care about climate change. Its mentioned in science class but its much more pragmatic than one might think and not so dogmatic. Ie the language is more like some studies suggest and not the end is neigh.
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Suggesting that a meaningful amount of teens are ditching school seems like the same fear mongering tactic climate crisis activists allegedly use. It's important to recognize fear mongering as an obstacle to productive dialog, regardless of which side is using it. Regardless, for argument's sake lets say there are teens missing school taking up this cause. Should the legitimacy of a cause be determined by who takes on that cause and how it might negatively affect them? If that was a legitimate determining factor, should we not hold the Civil Rights movement to the same standards and hold it up to the same scrutiny? The Civil Rights movement, after all, was also a cause taken upon by a large group of young adults at the time. Of those who argued against the Civil Rights movement because of how it made teens miss school, what side of history did they think they would end up being on?
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To be perfectly honest, it seems that constructive discourse has given way to an echo chamber in this thread some time ago. Echo chambers parrot rhetoric they know people will agree with, narrowing their perspective, and forgetting how to form arguments that will resonate outside of those that already agree with them.
Presenting diverse perspectives in this echo chamber benefits everyone. Think of it as practice. The weak rhetoric lives rent free when not challenged. Sparring with someone who disagrees with you makes you sharper.
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Whether or not it is beneficial or constructive to anyone, is another question.
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