[Lady Jane]

" Start the bike; I'll be right out..."


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[Dino GT]

Originally Posted by SickGTR

I have thought about an R-34 when then become legal. Just hard to drop 100 G's on one. Lol

Yeah used car prices are ridiculous right now, more so in the U.S. than in Canada. I think Bat and other online car auction sites have made it easy for people to bid stupid amounts of money after they had a few drinks from the comfort of their home .

[Murf993]

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[Lady Jane]

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[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by Dino GT

ykt

This guy looks like he's about to tell me a story that I won't want to remember.

Also, he looks like Uncle Jesse (Dukes of Hazard) and Captain Spaulding had a baby.

[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by NEfan508

@upstatedoc

He had his Kansas Permit since 14 but on his 16th birthday he was finally allowed a Mass permit, our home base state requires online courses and behind the wheel time logged in by a pro teacher 50 hrs?!? Then he could get his junior operator license @ 16.5 years old

Edit: lots of red tape but worth it

he's already logged 500+ hrs since 2019…

next summer to bmw teen school in SC

Is he flying a plane? This seems so.....much, for a drivers license. I got a book, read it, took a test and voila. One year later, took another test, drove a high school lunch lady in a DOT uniform around the block and I've been tearing up the asphalt since. Is this typical for Mass or is this something special? I remember the thread about his permit, but don't recall. If he got his permit at 14 in another state, doesn't this mean that he could only drive in that state?

[NEfan508]

Originally Posted by King Rudi

Is he flying a plane? This seems so.....much, for a drivers license. I got a book, read it, took a test and voila. One year later, took another test, drove a high school lunch lady in a DOT uniform around the block and I've been tearing up the asphalt since. Is this typical for Mass or is this something special? I remember the thread about his permit, but don't recall. If he got his permit at 14 in another state, doesn't this mean that he could only drive in that state?

Each state does it their way:
For his Junior Operator License the Commonwealth of Massachusetts wants your blood…

because of his age (under 18) they require time logged in behind the wheel (not just by parents stating) but by recognized state driving instructors and classroom lessons (online now)

the 250+ hours is what he ultimately got but 50 will do

Kansas was by far the most loose, on his 14th birthday we flew in, ate BBQ then straight to the DMV, 20 min and $15 he was legit!

[hubbahubba]

Originally Posted by NEfan508

Each state does it their way:
For his Junior Operator License the Commonwealth of Massachusetts wants your blood…

because of his age (under 18) they require time logged in behind the wheel (not just by parents stating) but by recognized state driving instructors and classroom lessons (online now)

the 250+ hours is what he ultimately got but 50 will do

Kansas was by far the most loose, on his 14th birthday we flew in, ate BBQ then straight to the DMV, 20 min and $15 he was legit!

What a cool thing to do for him! You've certainly given him an advantage, and will hopefully keep him safer than my teen boys were when they received their licenses. Many dings on their first cars and luckily none on their (or another human) bodies.

Is he into kart racing, some other type that young ones can participate in? Just curious. Either way, way to go, Dad!

[NEfan508]

@hubbahubba

He's into anything with wheels, from my bobcat front loader to scooters/go carts

all I want is for him to learn good habits when he's driving and to have as much experience as possible before he's on the road alone

how to learn proper driving? time behind the wheel and really good instructors

https://teamoneil.com/ it's in NH, just north of us and BMW teen class @ SC then the training wheels are off

[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by NEfan508

Each state does it their way:
For his Junior Operator License the Commonwealth of Massachusetts wants your blood…

because of his age (under 18) they require time logged in behind the wheel (not just by parents stating) but by recognized state driving instructors and classroom lessons (online now)

the 250+ hours is what he ultimately got but 50 will do

Kansas was by far the most loose, on his 14th birthday we flew in, ate BBQ then straight to the DMV, 20 min and $15 he was legit!

That's pretty crazy. In all fairness, I wish more states required more time behind the wheel to obtain a license.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by King Rudi

That's pretty crazy. In all fairness, I wish more states required more time behind the wheel to obtain a license.

I agree. Considering the responsibility and the possible bad outcomes, I think in most places it's too easy to get a license.

[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by Esteban

I agree. Considering the responsibility and the possible bad outcomes, I think in most places it's too easy to get a license.

Most definitely was too easy to obtain in TN.....oh, say 30 years ago. Explains much of my frustration driving today, sharing the road with "good enough driver's."

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by King Rudi

Most definitely was too easy to obtain in TN.....oh, say 30 years ago. Explains much of my frustration driving today, sharing the road with "good enough driver's."

My son got his license here in California 18 years ago and it was ridiculously easy. He was prepared, but honestly almost anybody, prepared or not, could've passed.

[TiMSport]

Originally Posted by Esteban

My son got his license here in California 18 years ago and it was ridiculously easy. He was prepared, but honestly almost anybody, prepared or not, could've passed.

Do they even teach parallel parking anymore??

[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by Esteban

My son got his license here in California 18 years ago and it was ridiculously easy. He was prepared, but honestly almost anybody, prepared or not, could've passed.

My uncle is an LEO. I got the entire gambit of advice and driving instructions from him, along with "Driving is a privilege, not a right" lecture. Even back then, I thought to myself, "Then stop handing DL's out like candy to everyone."

[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by TiMSport

Do they even teach parallel parking anymore??

What are you going on about?



Seriously though.....no. The one's doing the teaching can't do it, so they don't want to be embarrassed.

[NEfan508]

Originally Posted by King Rudi

Most definitely was too easy to obtain in TN.....oh, say 30 years ago. Explains much of my frustration driving today, sharing the road with "good enough driver's."

a nice common sense system would be great across all 50 states

like some logged in time behind the wheel by family/parents verifying with a signed affidavit

16 years old minimum, 14 in Kansas is just weird

new car stickers: DRIVING IN JAPAN - beginner drivers use a Shoshinsha Mark that new drivers must display on their cars for one year after they obtain a standard driver's license. There Is also a Fukushi Mark used to denote elderly drivers.

[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by NEfan508

a nice common sense system would be great across all 50 states

like some logged in time behind the wheel by family/parents verifying with a signed affidavit

16 years old minimum, 14 in Kansas is just weird

new car stickers: DRIVING IN JAPAN - beginner drivers use a Shoshinsha Mark that new drivers must display on their cars for one year after they obtain a standard driver's license. There Is also a Fukushi Mark used to denote elderly drivers.

I'm sorry. Common what? Yeah, we're full blown living in Idiocracy. We're more likely to water plants with Brawndo before using a common sense approach to anything now.

[JJ 911SC]

Originally Posted by King Rudi

I'm sorry. Common what? ...

Obituary to Common Sense

OBITUARY---Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common Sense.

Common Sense lived a long life but died in the United States from heart failure on the brink of the new millennium. No one really knows how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes, factories, and helping people get jobs done without fanfare and foolishness. For decades, petty rules, silly laws, and frivolous lawsuits held no power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, and that life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable time-tested parenting strategies (the parents are in charge, not the kids), and it is O.K. to come in second.

A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and educational trends, including body piercing, whole language, and "new math.” But his health declined when he became infected with the "If-it-helps-only-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus.

In recent decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of well-intentioned but overbearing regulations.

He watched in pain as good people became ruled by selfseeking lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly implemented zero-tolerance policies.

Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his condition.

It declined even further when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student but could not inform the parents when a female student was pregnant or wanted an abortion.

Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received better treatment than victims, and Federal judges stuck their noses into everything from the Boy Scouts to professional sports. Finally, when a woman, too stupid to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, was awarded a hugh settlement, Common Sense threw in the towel.

As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments regarding questionable regulations such as those for low-flow toilets, rocking chairs, and step ladders.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by two step-brothers, My Rights and Ima Whiner.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone..

[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by JJ 911SC

Obituary to Common Sense

OBITUARY---Today we mourn the passing of an old friend, by the name of Common Sense.

Common Sense lived a long life but died in the United States from heart failure on the brink of the new millennium. No one really knows how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He selflessly devoted his life to service in schools, hospitals, homes, factories, and helping people get jobs done without fanfare and foolishness. For decades, petty rules, silly laws, and frivolous lawsuits held no power over Common Sense. He was credited with cultivating such valued lessons as to know when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, and that life isn't always fair.

Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn), reliable time-tested parenting strategies (the parents are in charge, not the kids), and it is O.K. to come in second.

A veteran of the Industrial Revolution, the Great Depression, and the Technological Revolution, Common Sense survived cultural and educational trends, including body piercing, whole language, and "new math.” But his health declined when he became infected with the "If-it-helps-only-one-person-it's-worth-it" virus.

In recent decades his waning strength proved no match for the ravages of well-intentioned but overbearing regulations.

He watched in pain as good people became ruled by selfseeking lawyers. His health rapidly deteriorated when schools endlessly implemented zero-tolerance policies.

Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, a teen suspended for taking a swig of mouthwash after lunch, and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student only worsened his condition.

It declined even further when schools had to get parental consent to administer aspirin to a student but could not inform the parents when a female student was pregnant or wanted an abortion.

Finally, Common Sense lost his will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses, criminals received better treatment than victims, and Federal judges stuck their noses into everything from the Boy Scouts to professional sports. Finally, when a woman, too stupid to realize that a steaming cup of coffee was hot, was awarded a hugh settlement, Common Sense threw in the towel.

As the end neared, Common Sense drifted in and out of logic but was kept informed of developments regarding questionable regulations such as those for low-flow toilets, rocking chairs, and step ladders.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust; his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He is survived by two step-brothers, My Rights and Ima Whiner.

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone..

[Lady Jane]

Originally Posted by JJ 911SC

Not many attended his funeral because so few realized he was gone..

... And since then, emergency woke stations have sprouted all over the cities.


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[2000cs]

Originally Posted by NEfan508

a nice common sense system would be great across all 50 states

like some logged in time behind the wheel by family/parents verifying with a signed affidavit

16 years old minimum, 14 in Kansas is just weird

new car stickers: DRIVING IN JAPAN - beginner drivers use a Shoshinsha Mark that new drivers must display on their cars for one year after they obtain a standard driver's license. There Is also a Fukushi Mark used to denote elderly drivers.

14 is not weird in a state where a lot of kids learn to drive farm equipment, including trucks.

We can do a better job of educating drivers before they are licensed, but there will still be a lot of value in something like Street Survival after they have some real-world driving experience.