[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Sedoy

I wonder if this is going to be GM's last manual transmission sport sedan, very sad if this is true...

Seems like that's what they've hinted at. It doesn't make sense to me because for the first time in decades, there is actual demand for a Cadillac sedan. They can't sell the more pedestrian versions of these cars to save their life, but the moment they put a V8 and manual into it there's a waiting list to buy one.

The US, at a federal level, doesn't [yet] have the climate bandit politicians they do in the EU who've enacted regulations there to ban ICE. Cadillac isn't even sold in Europe anymore so who cares about abiding to their rules. I think GM should stick with this formula.

[eluded]

[stein_325i]

Car and Driver 10Best Cars and Trucks for 2022

Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing

Originally Posted by Car and Driver

Perhaps you're thinking that the 472-hp CT4-V Blackwing is a mere sidekick to the 668-hp CT5-V Blackwing. This notion, while seemingly logical, is quite wrong. Even those staffers who prefer the larger Blackwing admit that the smaller Blackwing is a spectacular car in its own right. Now, staff opinion is not unanimous on the subject, but by the end of 10Best testing, the true believers stood up to proffer that the CT4-V Blackwing is the better sports sedan of the two. —Tony Quiroga

Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing

Originally Posted by Car and Driver

As far as we know, Vegas oddsmakers don't take wagers on the winners of our 10Best list. But if they did, the Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing likely would have been an odds-on favorite. Its stats are certainly impressive. All right, they're staggering: a supercharged 6.2-liter V-8 making 668 horsepower and 659 pound-feet of torque and burdened with just over two tons of curb weight, a standard six-speed manual transmission, and the purity of rear-wheel drive. —Joe Lorio

[jmack]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Car and Driver 10Best Cars and Trucks for 2022

Awesome job from GM taking getting 3 spots on the list, well deserved.

Offtopic, but I'm really surprised that the M3 / M4 didn't make the list, despite the hideous looks they are great performers.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by jmack

Awesome job from GM taking getting 3 spots on the list, well deserved.

Offtopic, but I'm really surprised that the M3 / M4 didn't make the list, despite the hideous looks they are great performers.

I'm not too surprised. While they like the M3/4 they've stated in multiple different reviews that the Cadillacs and Alfa Giulia are more fun to drive and they typically prioritize fun in their 10 best awards, not to mention since 2020 there hasn't been enough room because they consolidated cars, trucks and suv's to one list.

[Wheelwright]

Can anyone explain CT4 Blackwings's abysmal Roling Start 5-60 mph time of only 5.3sec ? ( I mean the Car & Driver time with a manual transmission: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/ ) All the other numbers are in the ballpark except the Rolling Start. This cannot be simply waved away, because it is the single most important performance metric in real-life driving.

Can this be explained by the gearing, or by multiple shifts required, or by the excessive turbo-lag ? For comparison M32015 M4 Manual and 2021 M4 Manual can hit that time in 4.6 and 4.7sec respectively, which is in the different league entirely. I keep eyeing this CT4 as my next car (because I am fed-up with BMW charging Ferrari-like prices for parts & labour), but I am afraid that this disappointing performance number will make the Caddy feel not much faster than my current 2014 M235i.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Wheelwright

Can anyone explain CT4 Blackwings's abysmal Roling Start 5-60 mph time of only 5.3sec ? ( I mean the Car & Driver time with a manual transmission: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/ ) All the other numbers are in the ballpark except the Rolling Start. This cannot be simply waved away, because it is the single most important performance metric in real-life driving.

Can this be explained by the gearing, or by multiple shifts required, or by the excessive turbo-lag ? For comparison M32015 M4 Manual and 2021 M4 Manual can hit that time in 4.6 and 4.7sec respectively, which is in the different league entirely. I keep eyeing this CT4 as my next car (because I am fed-up with BMW charging Ferrari-like prices for parts & labour), but I am afraid that this disappointing performance number will make the Caddy feel not much faster than my current 2014 M235i.

I would still take up the CT4. While its numbers may not be as impressive as an M3, its chassis, steering, suspension, and transmission are all superior and create a fantastic driving experience. If you want a more competitive 5-60 number, than the auto is your best option as that will bring it close to the M3 Comp, but to not get a manual in either of these Blackwings is sacrilege in my opinion.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

If you want a more competitive 5-60 number...

Or a Tesla...

[Donatello.]

I'd replace my Hellcat with a CT5 Blackwing

[HelpMeHelpU]

Curious to hear if anyone has actually driven the CT4-V BW (or 5, but more interested in 4). I would really like to hear a comparison to the M2C, a car I really enjoy.

I have actually ordered one though I don't see how it fits into the stable next to the M2C and it seems to me that it's likely one or the other, at least for me.

Really hoping someone has firsthand driving experience with the Blackwing.

Thank you.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by HelpMeHelpU

Curious to hear if anyone has actually driven the CT4-V BW (or 5, but more interested in 4). I would really like to hear a comparison to the M2C, a car I really enjoy.

I have actually ordered one though I don't see how it fits into the stable next to the M2C and it seems to me that it's likely one or the other, at least for me.

Really hoping someone has firsthand driving experience with the Blackwing.

Thank you.

Pretty hard to get to drive one considering the limited production run which are all sold. Pretty much down to press drives and the owners.

[HelpMeHelpU]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Pretty hard to get to drive one considering the limited production run which are all sold. Pretty much down to press drives and the owners.

They're actually still making them….

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by HelpMeHelpU

They're actually still making them….

I know they are, but they're pretty much going to buyers. Anything I try to find online or nearby is pretty much not built yet and awaiting production, they aren't as easy to find and drive as say an M3. Of the 70 CT5's I searched on Autotrader only 3 of them are actually available to drive and at dealers.

[stein_325i]

[HelpMeHelpU]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I know they are, but they're pretty much going to buyers. Anything I try to find online or nearby is pretty much not built yet and awaiting production, they aren't as easy to find and drive as say an M3. Of the 70 CT5's I searched on Autotrader only 3 of them are actually available to drive and at dealers.

I hear you. Not surprising, actually. In what part of the country are you located? I am in northern NJ and there are a few dealers around with cars, but none I've been able to drive. One dealer said "maybe….on a nice day."

The one thing that looks funny to me about this car is the 18" wheels. I just think 19s would look better.

Thoughts?

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by HelpMeHelpU

I hear you. Not surprising, actually. In what part of the country are you located? I am in northern NJ and there are a few dealers around with cars, but none I've been able to drive. One dealer said "maybe….on a nice day."

The one thing that looks funny to me about this car is the 18" wheels. I just think 19s would look better.

Thoughts?

I'm in the DMV area so maybe a Virginia dealer will have one car but not much and a lot of dealers seem to list sold cars on their websites for some reason.

I don't mind the small wheels, gives the car a bit of extra tire and likely also helps give it the excellent ride quality with the Magneride suspension. I believe you can get special ordered Magnesium wheels for the Blackwings that are 19's.

[Equilibrandt]

SavageGeese nailed it as usual. I agree with almost everything they put up in the video.

Making it harder and harder to decide between a CT4-V BW and an IS 500.

[HelpMeHelpU]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

I'm in the DMV area so maybe a Virginia dealer will have one car but not much and a lot of dealers seem to list sold cars on their websites for some reason.

I don't mind the small wheels, gives the car a bit of extra tire and likely also helps give it the excellent ride quality with the Magneride suspension. I believe you can get special ordered Magnesium wheels for the Blackwings that are 19's.

Good points on the wheels.

Re sold cars going on websites (like Cars.com, etc.), it actually happens automatically in the "system"; I don't believe they list these cars intentionally. Indeed, my M2C that I ordered in June and bought in Aug. went up on the sites and the dealer got offers for it...and still sold it to me, because it was "sold."

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by HelpMeHelpU

Curious to hear if anyone has actually driven the CT4-V BW (or 5, but more interested in 4). I would really like to hear a comparison to the M2C, a car I really enjoy.

I have actually ordered one though I don't see how it fits into the stable next to the M2C and it seems to me that it's likely one or the other, at least for me.

Really hoping someone has firsthand driving experience with the Blackwing.

Thank you.

Forum member @Strohw posted in the G8X forum, he's owned one for a month apparently.

[Tacoma]

Excellent technical review from savagegeese of the CT5V Blackwing, probably the best and most comprehensive if you want a more in depth understanding of the technological underpinnings.

Seems to me as BMW is going softer and more mainstream with every generation that would make your typical Lexus buyer smile, Cadillac is going to where BMW used to be in terms of driver engagement and fun to drive factor. I would not have imagined this 10+ years ago, and I would not imagine that I may even consider buying one.

[stein_325i]

Originally Posted by Tacoma

Excellent technical review from savagegeese of the CT5V Blackwing, probably the best and most comprehensive if you want a more in depth understanding of the technological underpinnings.

Seems to me as BMW is going softer and more mainstream with every generation that would make your typical Lexus buyer smile, Cadillac is going to where BMW used to be in terms of driver engagement and fun to drive factor. I would not have imagined this 10+ years ago, and I would not imagine that I may even consider buying one.

Great review, and so much information that you simply wouldn't get from any other youtuber.

[MooMooM2]

Originally Posted by stein_325i

Great review, and so much information that you simply wouldn't get from any other youtuber.

SG really is the best