[mjr24]

I'm EV stupid.....

I am looking at ordering a 2025 i5 M60i here soon.....so does this mean the actual connector on the car will change starting on the cars produced in 2025 (which I assume will be some 2025 model years and 2026 models)?

I guess my question is whether the 2024 and 2025 models produced now will be able to still be charged at Tesla stations starting in 2025? Or will I need some sort of adapter?

[SkykingUSA]

I'd say it depends on when your car is made. You may get a NACS port on your car or it may come with the CCS1 port like they have today. I don't think BMW will start putting NACS ports on the cars until first, they officially announce a date for the implementation of Tesla DC chargers, and secondly they actually activate it.

If you do end up with a CCS1 port on your car like the rest of us today, then you will need an adapter in order to use a Tesla DC charger. I suspect BMW will provide them to existing customer for free since that is what Ford has done.

[RichardInCA]

Kinda agree with SkykingUSA here - my guess is that this will involve an adapter of some sort - Ford went through this recently and had a plan to give out adapters to allow their EV’s to connect with Tesla superchargers. It’s also going to be interesting to track what progress is made on the network that BMW is supposed to be part of building “IONNA”. BMW is one of 7 automakers who signed up to launch a new network of 30,000 charge points. I don’t think it’s clear what standard those will use - I’ve no data but it feels as though NACS is not quite as rock solid to me as it once was - probably Tesla firing their supercharger team in a fit of Elon-pique isn’t helping here.

Given the complexity of the situation, I’m imagining that nothing will change on the charging ports any time soon. I was new to EV’s late last year and in the exact same boat - now I’m 8-9months in, I’ve realized that I hardly ever use fast chargers, and rely on my home and office level 2 chargers (CCS) almost all the time.

[Scrapula]

My husband has a Ford Lightning and Ford had people sign up for the free adapter in February. We signed in March and are still waiting. Apparently, the hold up is on the Tesla side with their massive layoffs from the charging team. Hyundai and Kia are in the queue before BMW. I expect it to be a couple years before BMW switches. Most new charging stations will have both connectors. By the time BMW makes the change, it won’t matter either way.

[agorski]

As short as the Supercharger charging cables are, BMW might also have to relocate the charging port on the car. Either that, or supply a CCS-NACS adapter that's actually a dongle with some added cable.

[mjr24]

Awesome, good replies, thanks guys.

[paprmkr]

Originally Posted by SkykingUSA

I'd say it depends on when your car is made. You may get a NACS port on your car or it may come with the CCS1 port like they have today. I don't think BMW will start putting NACS ports on the cars until first, they officially announce a date for the implementation of Tesla DC chargers, and secondly they actually activate it.

If you do end up with a CCS1 port on your car like the rest of us today, then you will need an adapter in order to use a Tesla DC charger. I suspect BMW will provide them to existing customer for free since that is what Ford has done.

Was at dealer and told me bmw targeting Tesla charger usage late October but forgot to ask if BMW will provide us with adapter or a type that will be compatible

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by agorski

As short as the Supercharger charging cables are, BMW might also have to relocate the charging port on the car. Either that, or supply a CCS-NACS adapter that's actually a dongle with some added cable.

People with Mach E’s are parking sideways and taking up two chargers. You can always do that. There is never anyone at the Tesla chargers and always a wait at the other ones. That will change as manufacturers adopt NACS. New charging stations should be built with pull though spots like a gas station to accommodate any vehicle.

[Bklyn]

As a former Tesla owner I can say that saying no one is ever at a tesla station is not really accurate. It really depends where that is. And I know from years on the Teslamotorsclub forum they get very heated at people taking up 2 spots or "ICE" vehicles taking up Tesla spots. There is a number to call if that happens and cars get towed. Tesla owners are not happy that other vehicles will be using "their" chargers. And I have to say I dont blame them one bit. There are quite a few bugs to be worked out with BMV ev's. I have to say it is rare that everything works as intended in my vehicle. Its kittle things that seem so simple that just don't work correctly all the time.

[Bklyn]

Originally Posted by RichardInCA

Kinda agree with SkykingUSA here - my guess is that this will involve an adapter of some sort - Ford went through this recently and had a plan to give out adapters to allow their EV’s to connect with Tesla superchargers. It’s also going to be interesting to track what progress is made on the network that BMW is supposed to be part of building “IONNA”. BMW is one of 7 automakers who signed up to launch a new network of 30,000 charge points. I don’t think it’s clear what standard those will use - I’ve no data but it feels as though NACS is not quite as rock solid to me as it once was - probably Tesla firing their supercharger team in a fit of Elon-pique isn’t helping here.

Given the complexity of the situation, I’m imagining that nothing will change on the charging ports any time soon. I was new to EV’s late last year and in the exact same boat - now I’m 8-9months in, I’ve realized that I hardly ever use fast chargers, and rely on my home and office level 2 chargers (CCS) almost all the time.

Couldn't agree more about charging at home. That is a major reason for me to have an EV. And once again for those that dont know, contact your energy provider and see if they have any rebates or incentives for charging in the evening.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by Bklyn

As a former Tesla owner I can say that saying no one is ever at a tesla station is not really accurate. It really depends where that is. And I know from years on the Teslamotorsclub forum they get very heated at people taking up 2 spots or "ICE" vehicles taking up Tesla spots. There is a number to call if that happens and cars get towed. Tesla owners are not happy that other vehicles will be using "their" chargers. And I have to say I dont blame them one bit. There are quite a few bugs to be worked out with BMV ev's. I have to say it is rare that everything works as intended in my vehicle. Its kittle things that seem so simple that just don't work correctly all the time.

I’m in Snohomish County Washington and they are always empty. What can I say? Tesla wanted the revenue source. They don’t care about what their owners want.

[Blue Sky]

It hasn’t been said here, so I’ll try to say it.

The thing about SuperCharger access is that Tesla required approved adapters from the vehicle manfacturer, in order to agree to allow those vehicles charger authorization. This means not using any of the various generic chargers on Amazon, mostly from Chinese companies. I forget if there is going to be some way to detect what adapter is in use, or it’s an honor system as long as the vehicle manufacture submits an adapter to Tesla and it gets approved.

So I presume if Ford has access, that means they submitted an adapter design, Tesla signed off on it, and Ford started distributing those adapters to owners.

Somebody else probably can fill in the details.

[Bklyn]

I would hope for everyone's sake Tesla would control and insure what adaptors are allowed to be used on their chargers. I'm sure there are huge liability and safety concerns. It's not only about money to be made. Although I'm sure a lot will be made and rightly so.

[Scrapula]

Originally Posted by TLK

It hasn’t been said here, so I’ll try to say it.

The thing about SuperCharger access is that Tesla required approved adapters from the vehicle manfacturer, in order to agree to allow those vehicles charger authorization. This means not using any of the various generic chargers on Amazon, mostly from Chinese companies. I forget if there is going to be some way to detect what adapter is in use, or it’s an honor system as long as the vehicle manufacture submits an adapter to Tesla and it gets approved.

So I presume if Ford has access, that means they submitted an adapter design, Tesla signed off on it, and Ford started distributing those adapters to owners.

Somebody else probably can fill in the details.

This is true. Ford is still months behind with fulfillment of the free adapter that was approved by Tesla. Several Mach E owners have bought the lectron off Amazon and are using it successfully. I follow Mach E forums, even though I don’t own one.

[i5rpm]

The location of the port is a big problem for the i5... As was stated, the only way to use the vast majority of superchargers would be to take up multiple spots. And that's a terrible solution.

Personally I weighed waiting for the NACS adapter. I decided to just get the i5 with the CCS instead of waiting an undetermined amount of time. That was the right answer, especially since Elon went nuts and fired a big portion of the supercharger team and everything has ground to a halt in terms of opening things up.

While there's no question the supercharger network is superior to everything else, I don't use fast chargers enough for this to be a major problem. I've charged once with CCS on ElectrifyCanada and it was an ok experience.

So my conclusion: don't wait for NACS or you might be waiting a looooong time.

[paprmkr]

Originally Posted by Scrapula

People with Mach E’s are parking sideways and taking up two chargers. You can always do that. There is never anyone at the Tesla chargers and always a wait at the other ones. That will change as manufacturers adopt NACS. New charging stations should be built with pull though spots like a gas station to accommodate any vehicle.

I been checking the charger I come across of how I would be able to. Those that I can be at end of line up then wouldn’t interfere with other charger but then that limits us to Maybe 1 or 2 chargers access

[bmwterp]

Been following this for a while too.

One key point that I don't think has been mentioned yet here is that Tesla is NOT opening all its Superchargers to non-Teslas. They are only opening up a portion of them. So, everyone should also check the Tesla map to see how much this helps.

Also, its possible BMW will change their current port, but I don't think its likely. I would suspect a change like that requires significant planning with engineering and I doubt that BMW is ready to make that commitment anytime soon. Or at least we would have heard if they were planning it by 2025.

Personally, I would make sure the current network covers (with all its issues) your particular needs and then anything Tesla provides in the future will be gravy.

[Blue Sky]

The thing noone is saying is that standardizing on NACS would make home charging simpler in some cases, not just fast DC charging while “out on the road”. Currently if you have a Tesla and a NACS vehicle, you have to either have two different EVSEs installed, or use the Tesla Universal Wall charger which has a “magic dock” like built-in adapter capability. It’s limited to 48A, so to charge a vehicle that accepts a higher charging rate and you want/need to charge at the higher rate, you will still need to have separate EVSEs