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How the hell do you remove the effects of the team?!?
One of the main roles of a driver is to aid the team into building a better car. He's not just there to move the steering wheel you know.... That's why schumacher is probably(?) the best driver. Look at where ferrari was when he came to Ferrari, and how steadily he closed the gap to the other constructors to finally get 6 championships in a row (it took him 3 years or so to get the first one and get the car to that level). Of course it's a complete team efford, but the driver plays a big role in that. A good driver is more than a muppet that holds the wheel. He's an advisor to the designers and techs. That way the driver gets a car that is perfectly adapted to his needs. That's why F1 is a team sport. From a sporting pov Senna and Prost were the best (or at least the rivalry between the two). They didnt gave into anything. Trying to be the fastest not only in the race but even in the training etc.
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the point is, even if I did my best I probably can't beat schumacher no matter which team I'm on, but I might do better on a better team. Thus a "good driver" is one who consistently performs well with multiple teams and not just does better but consistently wins ... i.e., he get along with most and does the job you're talking about. If a driver only gets along with a few people on a specific team, hard to say that he's an objectively "good driver", i.e., he's a driver only one team wants. A team is a team, but it's also far to judge the drivers on their own. |
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Interesting. I wonder how Vettel and Alonso would compare if Alonso were still with Ferrari? Alonso has flashes of brilliance, but Vettel seems to be more consistent.
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04-21-2016, 01:21 PM | #28 |
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I have always wanted to see Hamilton in battle with a middle pack guy and we saw it in China. The guy finally had all the excuses not to make it to the top. And by the way he is more Morrocan than English.
It would be fun to see the 4 best drivers all racing with the same car. That way we know who is really the best. |
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I always preferred his brother, Ayrton.
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HAM is faster than BUT VET is faster than RAI ( Though RIC is faster than VET... ) ALO is faster than RAI HAM and ALO is equally fast |
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He was the reason an entire generation got interested, at least for a time, in f1. I watched old racing from the 50's and 60's when I was younger since the amount of sliding around they did on the old bias ply tires made for very entertaining racing. 4 wheel drifts through every corner. |
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Growing up in the UK, F1 is generally far more popular than it is in the US, but it was a time when Nigel Mansell was around along with other great foreign drivers (Piquet, Prost etc).
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1) Age - Older drivers get slower, Kimi in his prime was a faster driver. Just look at Schumy - the fastest in his prime, and much faster than any teammate, yet Nico outperformed him at the end. 2) Luck - mechanical failures occur, other cars hit you, pit crews mess-up, each driver gets a different race strategy. VET got most of the bad luck compared to RIC. 3) Bias - A team's 2 cars will always suit one driver better than the other, for various reasons. |
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Last year he drove always in the points in a shitty car . BTW...And all this without driver license ! And who did this before in the F1 history ? Put him in the merc and the rest would see only dust..
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lol.. except I also know he was born in Stevenage.. it's fairly close to where I lived in the UK.
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As a young Canadian, I remember how he captured national attention and passion in a way few others ever did. He sparked the interest of an entire generation of us in F1 and racing in general and the others that followed (Jacques Villeneuve and Paul Tracy most notably) became icons because we viewed race car drivers in the light of other sporting heroes because of Gilles Villeneuve.
Although he never did drive F1, any thought of Gilles Villeneuve and dying too soon requires a mention of Greg Moore ... probably would have been the greatest driver of his generation had he lived and, like Jacques Villeneuve, might have been one of the very few to be an Indy 500 and an F1 champ. |
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