[visualguy]

Originally Posted by autopal

The 5 is being heavily discounted, as they try to clear inventory to make way for the new 5

I haven't seen any unusual discounts on them. You can get them for invoice or maybe a little less, but that's nothing new. No one is clearing inventory yet. There are still 10 months or so before the new ones start showing up.

[larryn]

With the competition package being announced, I assume that there are lots of people waiting for those to come out. Numbers don't look good.

[scrammer]

Originally Posted by LinkF1

Interesting that the 5 outsold the 3 and the X3 outsold the X1.

only because the 3 was off 30% ...

[Kief]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Hope you enjoy the Jag

Thanks. I hope I enjoy it more on the road than in the shop

My wife still has her F15, but I'm sure I'll be back in an M not too long from now

[mkoesel]

Clearly not a good month.

But it I do see the X1 starting to pick up. We'll see if they can maintain a pace this time around. Compact SUVs in general are absolutely killing it in the US market, and I suspect the luxury models will gain a lot of ground on their larger luxury SUV brethren over the next five years.

[DDD31]

I very highly doubt BMW retains the luxury car manufacturer sales crown in the US in 2016 since BMW only beat Lexus by ~2000 vehicles and Mercedes by ~3000 vehicles in 2015. In January 2016, Mercedes beat BMW by ~8,000 vehicles putting BMW in quite a large hole to start off the year. BMW is going to really have to kill it in sales to make up that big of gap.

I think its comical that BMW blames the weather for loss of sales when every other manufacturer is selling cars in the same weather.

[David70]

I think these numbers are interesting but in the end, not sure why as a consumer I would really care who sells the most. I don't own stock in the company or get anything extra when they the brand I own wins.

Next, who knows what the cost of the volume is (discounts, water downed products, trying to sell in all segments, etc), didn't GM go bankrupt while still #1 or #2 in worldwide volume?

[bavarian19]

Originally Posted by mik821

The comment was more about price vs. quality, or price vs. what you get. It became normal to spend around 50k for a 4 cylinder 3 Series. My personal opinion is that it is abnormal, and hopefully some feel the same. I guess in the end what bothers me more is BMW's recent prices hikes rather than the occasional headaches given by poor reliability.

I couldn't agree more. I have owned 3 BMW's, and still plan on returning to the brand once kids are out of daycare (and daddy gets to shop for an M3).

I have a hard time spending 50k on a mildly optioned 328.

Sure, the snowstorm on the east cost may have cost some sales, but the dealerships here in DC area (which was hit the hardest) were open two days after the storm. I have a hard time believing sales slipping was solely based on weather.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by M Heart

I agree with sakhirm4, but also, I think one of the main reasons of the sales decrease is due to the fact that BMW (as well as many other manufactures) produced more vehicles than could be sold. BMW currently has a surplus of inventory and many buyers do not see and urgency to purchase since the market is saturated with inventory. It's a reflection of current economy, look at apple stats as well.

Apple stats!?!?!

Their just reported Q1 results:

Today, we’re reporting Apple’s strongest financial results ever. We generated all-time record quarterly revenue of 75.9 billion dollars in the December quarter, in line with our expectations, and have 2 percent over last year’s blockbuster results.

This is a huge accomplishment for our company, especially given the turbulent world around us. In constant currency, our growth rate would have been 8 percent. Our record revenue and continued strong operating performance also led to an all-time record quarterly net income of 18.4 billion dollars. We sold 74.8 million iPhones in the December quarter, an all-time high. To put that volume into perspective, it’s an average of over 34,000 iPhones an hour, 24 hours a day, seven days a week for 13 straight weeks. It’s almost 50 percent more than our Q1 volume just two years ago, and more than four times our volume five years ago.

[TheBry]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

He's just being bitter and having a case of rosy retrospection. Nothing can possibly be better than his E90 328i, especially an F30 with a lowly four banger.

Originally Posted by Obioban

Apple stats!?!?!

Their just reported Q1 results:

Totally. Apple crushed it last quarter -- most profitable quarter of any company in history -- but analysts were expecting more (where those expectations came from is beyond me since Apple delivered a quarter squarely within the guidance they gave the previous quarter).

But back to the thread... I'm pleased to see the 7 Series on the upswing. Would be cool to know the breakdown of the 847 they sold. How many were the F01 / F02 and how many were G12. When I ordered my G12 a few weeks ago, my dealer showed me six spanking brand new 2015 F01 / F02 models that were still sitting on his lot. One of them only had 5 miles on the odometer (had never been test driven).

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Apple stats!?!?!

Their just reported Q1 results:

Meh, the Street isn't impressed. Google leapfrogged them yesterday and is now the world's largest company.

Apple's got issues that needs to be addressed, mostly surrounded by being stuck in an over saturated hardware/software business. Google is more of a data business where they use hardware/software in order to get data.

One is a growing industry, the other is not.

[raym3cs]

Truthfully I think people are shopping around because they heard the new maintenance program is changing ....

[SakhirM4]

I think it is pretty amusing that everyone is ringing BMW's death knell and expounding on why they are losing because they have lost their way, forgotten the customer, etc., etc. Only a month ago, this was the news:

Full-year sales up 6.1% to total 2,247,485
2015 was BMW and MINI’s most successful year ever
BMW sales increase 5.2% to total 1,905,234
MINI sales achieve 12.0% increase to total 338,466
Around 30,000 BMW i vehicles sold in 2015
Deliveries increased in all major sales regions
Almost one million vehicles sold in Europe

Detroit/Munich. 2015 was the most successful year ever for the BMW Group with annual sales setting a new record for the fifth year in a row. A total of 2,247,485 BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce vehicles were delivered to customers around the world last year, an increase of 6.1% on the previous year. December 2015 saw 213,537 BMW, MINI and Rolls-Royce vehicles sold (-0.8%).


Can BMW really go from the most successful year ever to being doomed in one month? I don't think people should be so quick to judge, but it is hard when, surprisingly, so many on this forum constantly look for a way to trash BMW.

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by fecurtis

Meh, the Street isn't impressed. Google leapfrogged them yesterday and is now the world's largest company.

Apple's got issues that needs to be addressed, mostly surrounded by being stuck in an over saturated hardware/software business. Google is more of a data business where they use hardware/software in order to get data.

One is a growing industry, the other is not.

I think a lot of people (certainly me) use Apple products because they're not data mining me. That's why I avoid all of google's services, including search.

Google did become largest, but... so what? The size of google (and by google, I assume you really mean alphabet, google is a part of, since google is not larger than apple) is not a factor in how successful Apple's quarter was.

Further, do we care about revenue or profits? Certainly I'd say profits are more relevant to the success of a company-- you can be huge (revenue) but losing money. And Apple is making much more profit.

Apple posted the most profitable quarter ever. They did that while china, which is a large market for them, was (/is) hurting. I have trouble seeing that as "bad". And certainly in no way comparable to BMW's quarter, where they lost market share while the competition was growing.

Whether wall street recognizes it or not, there is an upper limit on how large Apple can become-- the planet is only so large, with so many people :roll:

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by Obioban

I think a lot of people (certainly me) use Apple products because they're not data mining me. That's why I avoid all of google's services, including search.

A lot of people do not avoid Google services and a lot of people use Apple products but for different reasons. I work in the data space.

Google did become largest, but... so what? The size of google (and by google, I assume you really mean alphabet, google is a part of, since google is not larger than apple) is not a factor in how successful Apple's quarter was.

I suppose yes, Alphabet now has a larger market cap than Apple. Pretty big deal, but yes it doesn't take away from what Apple has done.

Further, do we care about revenue or profits? Certainly I'd say profits are more relevant to the success of a company-- you can be huge (revenue) but losing money. And Apple is making much more profit.

I can see you don't work in finance or accounting. Yes we care about revenue and profits. Both Google and Apple (surprisingly) have high margins. And as far as we're concerned, revenue, more importantly revenue growth, is something we very much care about. Sure you can have a lot of revenue but be losing money but then I'd ask you, do we really care? You could be losing money because you're investing in more employees, new offices, new data centers. The result of that is increased revenue but a net loss due to the upfront investment. But it all depends on what the reasons for the loss are. But to your question, we care about revenue but we care more so about revenue growth.

Whether wall street recognizes it or not, there is an upper limit on how large Apple can become-- the planet is only so large, with so many people :roll:

That's funny, that constraint doesn't really apply to companies that specialize in data. Hence my point as to why Alphabet leap frogging Apple is a big deal. It's a sign that Apple is in a saturated market due to it's decision to stick with it's hardware/software business.

[fecurtis]

Originally Posted by SakhirM4

Can BMW really go from the most successful year ever to being doomed in one month?

According to the internet opinion, yes.

They'll file for bankruptcy by next week.

[M Heart]

Originally Posted by Obioban

Apple stats!?!?!

Their just reported Q1 results:

I was not referring to Apple stats regarding revenue. I apologize about that. I was talking about iphone sales volume. Apple made/makes great revenue on paid services such as iTunes, radio, etc. I was using apple iphones to BMW car sales more from a market saturation of their goods more than the financial revenue aspect, if I make sense.