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Originally Posted by AiredaleDad
Agreed on both of those points. There is something to be said about the traditional car delivery experience. Not the sales process and scheming and scamming. But the picking up your new car part. The sales process is just fun for people like me who are wise to all the tricks and can send SA's, SM's and FM's fumbling.
I just don't agree with people who buy an EV thinking they are "Saving the planet". That won't happen until ALL chargers are refueled by replenishable energy. As long as there are charging stations powered by an electric grid that is fed by fossil fueled generator plants that will not be the case. I even saw one in Australia that had a single charging station connected to a Diesel Generator!!!!.
And not to mention the environmental impact of the strip mining (By Diesel powered heavy equipment) of the tons of raw materials, and hazardous chemicals involved in the refining of the Cobalt, Lithium, and other rare metals needed to produce a single EV battery.
It takes 7 years for a Tesla Model Y (The one with the smallest battery) to actually become carbon neutral. And then at 10 years the battery has to be replaced and the cycle starts all over. It cannot be economically recycled. There was a report that I read a couple of years ago that showed the real carbon footprint of the construction of a single Tesla EV was larger than a full sized V-8 SUV over 10 years.
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It astonishes me how many seemingly intelligent people parrot reddit and X (Twitter) propaganda.
You can thank me later:
“Jarod C. Kelly, principal energy system analyst at the DOE’s Argonne National Laboratory, co-authored a 2023 study that analyzed cradle-to-grave greenhouse gas emissions and economic costs of electric and conventional cars. Kelly said the study found that under current conditions it would take an electric car 19,500 miles, or less than two years of typical driving in the U.S., to pay back the increased emissions of the manufacturing process and break even with a comparable gasoline car.”
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/el...eir-lifetimes/
By the way, there is literally zero evidence batteries have to be replaced “every ten years”. According to Kelley Blue Book, only 1.5% of EVs and PHEVs sold since 2011 have had battery replacements:
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-ev-plug-in-hybrid-battery-replacements-rare/
Obviously, you’d have to stratify that population to tease out the >= 10 year old data, but even that would be misleading, as battery technology has greatly advanced in the last 5 years.