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I think Murf993 hit the nail on the head with his response. I don't know that I would have punched her twice; I might have applied downward pressure. I can't say because I wasn't in that situation. It's much different when you're actively involved rather than standing on the sideline.
Let me paint another picture. What if her kick had connected with that officers knee and blown it out, causing him to be IOD'd for 6+ months and requiring surgery?!?! That's what happened to one of my partners last July. He's still out of work. The situations were very similar.
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There is risk in anything: what if you get in a crash and die, should you never leave the house? In cases like this you just need to use common sense; like you said "applying more pressure...". Looks to me like the officer was not worried about his safety; he just got angry and wanted a payback. |
There is risk, but that doesn't mean we sign(ed) up to readily accept getting assaulted. Applying pressure was merely an option, but not being in that officer's shoes, I have no idea if that was truly an option
for him.
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I have no issue with punching someone in cuffs when they deserve it, like this lady did. One, maybe two quick shots to make sure your point, but then you have to stop.
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Agreed!
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Is it illegal to drive drunk on my own private property? Example, if I own a few acres is it illegal to drive around my land while drunk?
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No! We don't enforce traffic law(s) on private property unless the private property explicitly states the vehicle code is enforced. In the case of acting crazy on your own land......have at it.
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Agreed! But notice the guy doing the punching; he just looked like he wanted more of her. Notice his demeanor, as he had to hold himself back.
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Yeah, so? We have no idea what happened in the seconds to minutes before this. We are making a snap judgment based on 30 seconds of video.
Maybe he did want more.
Maybe she deserved more.
Maybe the cop is an asshole.
Maybe the woman had assaulted the cop several times already.
Maybe the woman was aggressively resisting arrest.
Maybe the cop had verbally warned her to stop fighting.
Maybe the cop just likes to punch people.
How can any of us sit here and make the assertion that the cop is right or wrong based on this short video?
As I wrote earlier, sometimes people need to be punched. And that idea can be extrapolated to "sometimes people need to be shot." |
....and therein lies the issue with body worn camera footage (...
or third party cellular phone recordings). We get a 2D glimpse of a 3D situation. It doesn't tell the entire story.
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Originally Posted by Fly320s
Yeah, so? We have no idea what happened in the seconds to minutes before this. We are making a snap judgment based on 30 seconds of video.
Maybe he did want more.
Maybe she deserved more.
Maybe the cop is an asshole.
Maybe the woman had assaulted the cop several times already.
Maybe the woman was aggressively resisting arrest.
Maybe the cop had verbally warned her to stop fighting.
Maybe the cop just likes to punch people.
How can any of us sit here and make the assertion that the cop is right or wrong based on this short video?
As I wrote earlier, sometimes people need to be punched. And that idea can be extrapolated to "sometimes people need to be shot."
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So who is the "trained" one in this instance? Based on the "short" video, why would the other cop intercede? Videos like this do not help public perception, and I don't defend her actions, but the DA will have to decide if he should get more training, or not. |
The other cops stepped in to prevent their partner from going too far. One or two punches?!? Sure. A third punch might've been ruled excessive. In my opinion they were looking out for their partner. It's easy to get tunnel vision when you're feeling threatened.